The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

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It's not 1980 anymore man. Audiences are smart enough to realize if two demigods fought eachother in a major American city, there'd be a lot of collateral damage. I don't see what's so wrong with realistically portraying that.

because it's superman, it doesn't need to be realistic. he's a folk hero, a myth. asking why people don't recognize clark kent without his glasses would be like asking how santa claus can pay a visit to every kid across the entire globe in the span of one night. it doesn't matter, he just can.

and for a movie to compare its protagonist to jesus christ, it feels incredibly counterproductive to put the emphasis on the destruction and all the lives that were lost instead of putting it on the hope he inspires and the lives that he actually saves.

unfortunately superman begins isn't interested in any of that.
 

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I think the movie had an overall lighthearted approach by making Clark do the whole disguise thing and move to Metropolis early, no one makes a big deal about the fight. Its just they made the origin as detailed and by default densely realistic it missed all those mythos aspects.
 
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The promotion for Batman v Superman is in full swing and Dr. Pepper is joining in with a promotion to giveaway a free prequel comic written by Christos Gage and art by Joe Bennett.
Powered by the Blippar app, the comic is given away in chapters for purchasers of Dr. Pepper 20 oz drinks. Here is a look at the first chapter.

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This first chapter focuses on Batman returning to action which includes him wearing that mask. He’s different according to the Gotham criminals.
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Who can handle him now?
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because it's superman, it doesn't need to be realistic. he's a folk hero, a myth. asking why people don't recognize clark kent without his glasses would be like asking how santa claus can pay a visit to every kid across the entire globe in the span of one night. it doesn't matter, he just can.

and for a movie to compare its protagonist to jesus christ, it feels incredibly counterproductive to put the emphasis on the destruction and all the lives that were lost instead of putting it on the hope he inspires and the lives that he actually saves.

unfortunately superman begins isn't interested in any of that.
Superman in Man of Steel isn't the Superman you are talking about though.
The character in Man of Steel was true to how that character had been developed in that movie and really that is all that should matter.
Batman in the Nolan movies wasn't my Batman but all of his actions were true to the character that Nolan created with Batman Begins.
Same with Stark in the Iron Man movies, Capt. America in his movies and Thor in his movies. None of those characters are exactly as they have been presented in the decades worth of comic books or TV shows or even other movies. Criticizing a different take on the character because it doesn't line up with your rigid expectations based on a prior depiction is just overly entitled nerd bullshyt.
 

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Criticizing a different take on the character because it doesn't line up with your rigid expectations based on a prior depiction is just overly entitled nerd bullshyt.
You mean like the criticism of "the mandarin" in IM3?:sas2:

I think even one of the haters said all of the heroes were just tony stark because there was humor in each film :mjlol:
 

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Except that's incredibly lazy and a cop out. When people bring up The Avengers eating shawarma an hour after an alien invasion and the possible nuking of a major U.S city(all of which accounted for civilian casualties), stans rebuttal with how they did a quick shot about the news brining up casualties. That's lazy and Snyder is calling that out. We've grown up watching mass destruction in comic books and animated series get completely glossed over. Now we're about to get a whole movie about it. Superman taking a look around and being like "shyt, breh:whoo:" does not give any real gravitas to what just went down. Real lives were just lost. Real lives have been affected forever. A quick shot of him being taken aback by all the destruction while we go into the next movie and start fukking shyt up again without missing a beat does nothing to address what Snyder said about the actions of super heroes having real consequences. MoS was the cause. Batman vs. Superman is going to be the effect. And about him kissing Lois: people finding romantic comfort right after a disaster is nothing new in life or in movies.


The sad thing is, besides the cats that just didn't want to like the movie, I think MoS made some really lame individuals feel genuinely uncomfortable. I can see kids feeling this way, but a lot of adults don't want their superhero movies to be adult or realistic. They don't want to think about the fact that innocent people die in the hundreds when gods are duking it out. They wanna eat their popcorn while wearing a t-shirt with a superhero logo on it and go "Oh shyt:ooh:" during action scenes. I remember the gripes about Pa Kent. To me he was a trill ass character. He reminded me of Joel from The Last of Us. Joel cared more about Ellie living than he did about the fate of mankind. No parent is putting the good of the world over their kid. That's some idealistic shyt that doesn't fly in the real world. Him telling Clark maybe he should have let that school bus full of kids die was realistic as hell. Mind you, he says "maybe". He's conflicted about the shyt too. He doesn't want his kid to be put in harms way or become some sort of lab experiment for the government (if you've seen Flashpoint Paradox, that is a possibility). Does it sound horrible? Of course it does. But those of you with kids, tell me you wouldn't react the same way. He's raised his kid to be a good person and that's reflected in the fact that he doesn't destroy those kids bullying him and that he saves the school bus, but Pa Kent's first priority is protecting his son. Same with Martha telling Clark he doesn't owe this world a thing in the trailers for the new movie. That's her son way before he's a superhero. shyt like that makes overgrown kids uncomfortable. Let's not make Tony Stark a raging, alcoholic, fukk up. Let's make him a debonair party boy with commitment issues. When The Hulk loses control (Banner's greatest fear), we're not gonna have him actually rip an innocent person in half or punch Black Widow's head into the stratosphere. He'll just scare the shyt out of people before he regains his composure. Why not? Because laughs and dude bro moments are what sell comic book movies, not the real life consequences of unfettered power.


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Breh, you're at Applebee's and go to take a shyt. As you walk out you see some nikka throw a handful of loaded fries in ma dukes face. Are you worrying about where you're taking the fight or tackling that nikka and handing out an old fashioned beat down?
as a normal man no, but if im a dude that can destroy buildings with a simple slap then yea....idk bout yall moms but mines wouldnt want me killing hella ppl and destroying lives for the sake of her :yeshrug:
 

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You mean like the criticism of "the mandarin" in IM3?:sas2:

I think even one of the haters said all of the heroes were just tony stark because there was humor in each film :mjlol:
My criticism of The Mandarin had nothing to do with him not being exactly like he was in the comics (even though icing an Asian bruh out of a high profile acting gig in a guaranteed global blockbuster was all kinds of fukked up), I liked the character that we were given for the majority of the movie and he wasn't Chinese and didn't have super-powered rings. Was thinking that we finally had another Marvel movie villain that could join Loki in the ranks of not being a bland blackhole of suck.
What I didn't like was the reveal that the entire thing fake and in reality the Mandarin was just a druggie actor and the real bad guy in Iron Man 3 was yet another white businessman...just like Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2.:sas2:
 

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My criticism of The Mandarin had nothing to do with him not being exactly like he was in the comics (even though icing an Asian bruh out of a high profile acting gig in a guaranteed global blockbuster was all kinds of fukked up), I liked the character that we were given for the majority of the movie and he wasn't Chinese and didn't have super-powered rings. Was thinking that we finally had another Marvel movie villain that could join Loki in the ranks of not being a bland blackhole of suck.
What I didn't like was the reveal that the entire thing fake and in reality the Mandarin was just a druggie actor and the real bad guy in Iron Man 3 was yet another white businessman...just like Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2.:sas2:
Okay so I really am the only one on this board who likes iron man 3. I can rock with that. Although I do agree that the angry rich white man villain was tired as fukk
 

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Okay so I really am the only one on this board who likes iron man 3. I can rock with that. Although I do agree that the angry rich white man villain was tired as fukk
But amazingly the people who didn't like Iron man 3 (or Iron Man 2 for that matter) don't pop up in every Marvel Movie thread whining about how shytty it was and shytting on all future movies by association. Wonder why that is?:jbhmm:
 

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My criticism of The Mandarin had nothing to do with him not being exactly like he was in the comics (even though icing an Asian bruh out of a high profile acting gig in a guaranteed global blockbuster was all kinds of fukked up), I liked the character that we were given for the majority of the movie and he wasn't Chinese and didn't have super-powered rings. Was thinking that we finally had another Marvel movie villain that could join Loki in the ranks of not being a bland blackhole of suck.
What I didn't like was the reveal that the entire thing fake and in reality the Mandarin was just a druggie actor and the real bad guy in Iron Man 3 was yet another white businessman...just like Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2.:sas2:
So you had rigid expectations that the movie curved you on and you got upset :sas2:

Looks like some want it one way for DC, but it's another for marvel :sas2:
 
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