The Official 2020 NBA Draft Talk Thread (11/18)

[Brozay]

that and he was without question the best player in college this year. Nobody on that list can lay claim to that except maybe Morrison.

fair but we didnt get to factor march madness and what other players was he even competing against honestly?

 

[KingJay]

All imma say is folks are sleeping on Mason Jones of Arkansas. I've been talking about this kid since March when no one had him even getting drafted.
Isaiah Joe too, but to a lesser extent.

My 2nd round targets for the Sixers are Jones and Joe - gimme both those Arkansas boys. They both definitely have 1st round talent.

 

[tremonthustler1]

fair but we didnt get to factor march madness and what other players was he even competing against honestly?

To be fair, we can levy that against any of these players. That’s what makes this group hard to peg


Edwards: played for a crap Georgia team that had no chance of playing in the tourney

Wiseman: played 3 games period

Anthony: was hurt and on an uncharacteristically awful Tar Heels team

Ball and Hampton: hurt and ineffective in a pro league in Australia/NZ

Avdija: didn’t really get burn until late in the year and then the pandemic hit.

Haliburton: on a shytty Iowa State team where he hurt his wrist and his season was over early.

Nesmith: impressive, but hurt his foot on a shytty Vanderbilt team


No tourney affected Vassell and Patrick Williams the most IMO because I thought they were gonna win the National Championship and that woulda did so much for them. A title woulda made Vassell a top 5 lock and Williams woulda had more film.

Malachi Flynn coulda also used the tourney as well.

 

[Trot LaRoc]

But look at Jamison’s career. Having Jamison’s trajectory might be good enough to be the best player among this group of guys.

Sure Jamison was an useful player, if obi has his career, that's a success. I just dont see him as a cornerstone player but he can be a valuable contributor you dont expect too much

 

[smitty22]

This LaMelo shyt makes no sense to me. Maybe I'll be dead wrong and people will up my posts to clown in a few years but this kid is not that athletic, he's frail, has poor shooting fundamentals (and also shot terribly in Australia), trash defensively and will struggle in the half court.

How the fukk is all that the ingredients for a #1 pick? Sounds like some shyt bozo @smitty22 would say about another osu qb bust in the making.

At least Lonzo is athletic and terrific defensively.

The bolded is you in a nutshell. You not being able to comprehend, and getting clowned . There’s a reason they call you dodo bird

 

[LEEeveryday]

One perspective I heard that has me judging a players potential defensive ability different is if they've shown themselves to be good passers - then they have pattern recognition, which can speak to their defensive awareness.

The other piece is obviously will - So looking at a players competitive nature and work ethic is paramount.

Will Ball ever WANT to - I have a feeling Obi will WANT to - Someone said he's a good passer - so that could bode well for his viability on the defensive end.

 

[Controversy]

Obi at best is Antawn Jamison.

To me he's like a lesser version of John Collins or a more athletic Bobby Portis

A good scoring backup big is his best role


Not a fan of LaMelo....he wont be trash but I dont see him being an Allstar either. Taller Jason Williams maybe. Just being a flashy passer isnt enough to justify #1. I think tall PGs are overrated too....I'll take a 6'3" who can shoot lights out and get to the rim. I can see Ball just being a better MCW

Very lazy comparison of Melo

 

[42 Monks]

Very lazy comparison of Melo

anybody who thinks he's worth a #1 pick is clowning

 

[Controversy]

anybody who thinks he's worth a #1 pick is clowning

There were ppl who didn't think Luka would be a superstar either bc he wasn't athletic and was an inconsistent jump shooter

When you're at the top of the draft, you have to draft based on ceiling

He was playing high level basketball as a freshman in HS, he has elite vision, elite vision, he's 6'8, has range...I wouldn't want to be the guy to pass on him

He's basically the most offensively skilled player in the draft, and if selected to the right team under the right structure, that team could potentially unlock his defensive potential and add strength to his game

Can you imagine Melo as a 6'8 215 PG, matchup nightmare

 

[42 Monks]

There were ppl who didn't think Luka would be a superstar either bc he wasn't athletic and was an inconsistent jump shooter

When you're at the top of the draft, you have to draft based on ceiling

He was playing high level basketball as a freshman in HS, he has elite vision, elite vision, he's 6'8, has range...I wouldn't want to be the guy to pass on him

He's basically the most offensively skilled player in the draft, and if selected to the right team under the right structure, that team could potentially unlock his defensive potential and add strength to his game

Can you imagine Melo as a 6'8 215 PG, matchup nightmare

luka was a euroleague mvp and lamelo was a sideshow in australia

he's at the top of the draft to trick dumbass GMs into burning a draft pick on him in the top 5. yal just be saying shyt to be saying shyt when it comes to lamelo and i don't even hate the kid - he's a project no matter how you look at him. comparing him to luka?

flashy passes do not equal elite vision.

 

[Controversy]

luka was a euroleague mvp and lamelo was a sideshow in australia

he's at the top of the draft to trick dumbass GMs into burning a draft pick on him in the top 5. yal just be saying shyt to be saying shyt when it comes to lamelo and i don't even hate the kid - he's a project no matter how you look at him. comparing him to luka?

flashy passes do not equal elite vision.

Vision isn't accumulating dimes...vision is being able to make a pass that leads to a scoring opportunity that no one else sees

You were prob one of the Luka detractors

Every prospect has a chance to be a bust, but again, you draft based on ceiling, and if you don't think he has a high ceiling, you can't evaluate hoops

 

[CarltonJunior]

yeah, scary list. and in reference to the group of guys drafted at #6, all guards that this league caters to heavily now

Id assume Obi is in top 5 talks largely as a product of this being considered a weak draft?

I do feel that the age lowering your ceiling thing is a myth. It's more about work ethic, really. But drafting a guy at 18/19 does give you more opportunity in terms of physical growth and you have a better chance of instilling said work ethic into the player. I'm sure Giannis wouldn't be who he is today if he was drafted at 22, for example.

On the other side of the coin I see Obi's "most NBA ready" label as being a lazy blanket statement because of his age. In reality he doesn't fit the current NBA climate, your hoping for a John Collins type player and yet John Collins hasn't won anything despite being a young promising throwback 4.

Vision isn't accumulating dimes...vision is being able to make a pass that leads to a scoring opportunity that no one else sees

You were prob one of the Luka detractors

Every prospect has a chance to be a bust, but again, you draft based on ceiling, and if you don't think he has a high ceiling, you can't evaluate hoops

You are never gonna convince @42 Monks of anything. When he hates a player, he hates them for life.

This the same dude that shytted on the best player in his franchises history the entire time he was there (Kemba)

 

[42 Monks]

Vision isn't accumulating dimes...vision is being able to make a pass that leads to a scoring opportunity that no one else sees

You were prob one of the Luka detractors

Every prospect has a chance to be a bust, but again, you draft based on ceiling, and if you don't think he has a high ceiling, you can't evaluate hoops

If you say that LaMelo has a high ceiling, then you can say it about literally anyone else who's eligible for a draft though. Just ignore everything negative and say that it actually represents limitless growth potential.

He shot 25% from 3 - and he shoots at a high volume because he's literally afraid of actually playing out a whole possession against a defense that's set up to meet him middle schoolers do that shyt. Not elite playmaking point guards. Dude is throwing passes that a LOT of people can make in scrimmages and low end leagues.

He 6'7 and frail with average as fukk explosion. Doesn't even know what to do offensively between the paint and 3 point line aside from throw up sad floaters.

He either can't play defense except once every 10 minutes of floor time or flat out refuses to do so. Never heard of off-ball play either.

If it wasn't for Lonzo and Lavar, nobody would be paying attention to some kid who went from AAU to Lithuania to the JBA to Australia.

I do feel that the age lowering your ceiling thing is a myth. It's more about work ethic, really. But drafting a guy at 18/19 does give you more opportunity in terms of physical growth and you have a better chance of instilling said work ethic into the player. I'm sure Giannis wouldn't be who he is today if he was drafted at 22, for example.

On the other side of the coin I see Obi's "most NBA ready" label as being a lazy blanket statement because of his age. In reality he doesn't fit the current NBA climate, your hoping for a John Collins type player and yet John Collins hasn't won anything despite being a young promising throwback 4.



You are never gonna convince @42 Monks of anything. When he hates a player, he hates them for life.

This the same dude that shytted on the best player in his franchises history the entire time he was there (Kemba)

To be fair Kemba deserved a lot of that on until that completely out of nowhere increase in his 3pt% and he learned how to play PG without relying in Al Jeff as the #1 option or a passer at the wing to free him up whenever he got pressed in the PnR.

He was overpaid until suddenly he wasn't - and now he's overpaid again but not our problem

I don't hate any player though. Maybe Pat Bev

 

[CarltonJunior]

If you say that LaMelo has a high ceiling, then you can say it about literally anyone else who's eligible for a draft though. Just ignore everything negative and say that it actually represents limitless growth potential.

He shot 25% from 3 - and he shoots at a high volume because he's literally afraid of actually playing out a whole possession against a defense that's set up to meet him middle schoolers do that shyt. Not elite playmaking point guards. Dude is throwing passes that a LOT of people can make in scrimmages and low end leagues.

He 6'7 and frail with average as fukk explosion. Doesn't even know what to do offensively between the paint and 3 point line aside from throw up sad floaters.

He either can't play defense except once every 10 minutes of floor time or flat out refuses to do so. Never heard of off-ball play either.

If it wasn't for Lonzo and Lavar, nobody would be paying attention to some kid who went from AAU to Lithuania to the JBA to Australia.

To be fair Kemba deserved a lot of that on until that completely out of nowhere increase in his 3pt% and he learned how to play PG without relying in Al Jeff as the #1 option or a passer at the wing to free him up whenever he got pressed in the PnR.

He was overpaid until suddenly he wasn't - and now he's overpaid again but not our problem

I don't hate any player though. Maybe Pat Bev

nikka you hate like 2 players on your team now.

I've seen you shytting on Monk and Bridges

 

[42 Monks]

nikka you hate like 2 players on your team now.

I've seen you shytting on Monk and Bridges

They deserve it fukk i look like unconditionally repping a junkie and a dude who has an identity crisis every time he steps on the court

When they get better I'll be the first one to say it. Until then, fact is they suck. I'm supposed to rep like one of those ashy kings fans? "Yal just watch. Nik Stauskus about to go crazy yal Thomas Robinson got next yal don't even know"