The Myth Of the Dark Ages (to hide the Moors' massive contribution to Science and Art)

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God you're an idiot. Both groups in Sudan are BLACK. The guys being called Arabs are black. The non-Arabs are also black.

Its a ethnic tribal conflict. Not a racial one.

The idea Arabs are non-black is actually a new idea.

If that's the case the ancient Moors were Black Africans.
 

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If that's the case the ancient Moors were Black Africans.
yes thats what weve been saying

bruh look at the USA. The original inhabitants were 100% purely cac. By 2044 this country will be all Latino. Do you think the USA will have a single cac by 2200?

Does that mean that the USA wasnt originally 100% cac?

Populations change DRASTICALLY over centuries when neighboring a different race. Why is it so hard to believe that Arabs and Europeans did the same thing to North Africa and Africa in a longer time period than what the Mexicans did to the US?

Bruh after the Moorish empire fell there was an even bigger, more wealthy West African Muslim empire you think any moor wouldn't have headed there and be among there brothers?

Stop falling for the trick that a countries population is always the same so if it looks different now then the history is wrong.

Someone in 2200 saying the USA was a mexican empire will be fukkin laughed at. No one would even bother arguing with them so why are we arguing the same thing for the Moors?
 

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and race is something very new which many researchers believe emerged only because of the collapse of Moorish and African empires. Before that no one made distinctions on race, no one considered themselves white or black. Its a brand new phenomenon and happened because it was impossible to claim you're race is superior when right on your doorstep is an empire that was not only superior in power but didn't even bother to acknowledge you.

Only after the Spanish Inquistion, which expelled the Moors and basically wiped out all traces of them could they even consider any racial superiority.

There are so many historical artifacts that show that how much the Moors were resented by the Europeans, and how appalled they were seeing so many people willingly abandon the Christian empire which was considered Holy, to join an Islamic Caliphate.

I mean they were literally trying for 700 years atleast to try and topple the Moors. Its hard to comprehend just how long that is. We get way too caught up in the present.

We were on top for far longer than cacs ever been. :yeshrug:



Wallahi Billahi I've been feeling this way for a while. Now I know why they invented racism to erase their inferiority in glory of Islam and Black men in command. Plus Islamic power cut them off from the far east for a thousand years thus making Blacks over charge the cacs on spices and other luxuries... God damn, our ancestors were Men :to:
 

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Reminder that the Moors were not the only empire and that empires just as great emerged afterwards until the 1900s.

The Moors are unique because of the way they directly interacted with Europeans and subjugated them which I think is relevant because of the way these cacs are always glorifying Europe.
 

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At the height of the city’s golden age in the 16th century, Timbuktu boasted over 150 schools and a major University at the Sankore Mosque that enrolled over 25, 000 students! The curricula were intensive and included the Islamic sciences like Qu’rannic interpretation (Tafseer), The Prophetic Sayings (Hadeeth), Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh), Sources of Islamic law (Usool), and Islamic doctrinal theology (Aqeedah).

This formed the core of the syllabus. Besides this, students were required to memorize the entire Qur’an and the famous Texts (mutoon) and gain mastery over the Arabic language through the study of grammar (Nahw), literary style and rhetoric (Balaagah), Arabic poetry and logic (Mantiq).


After mastering the basic texts and memorizing the required material, the student was assigned a mentor who specialized in a particular field of study. The relationship of student and the master often grew to the point where the student would work for the master or become part of his family. This Mulaazamah system produced scholars who not only benefited from their teacher’s theoretical knowledge but internalized his lifestyle and understood his deeper concepts.
Timbuktu’s history has come to us from a series of historical works or Tarikhs written from the mid 17th century through the 18th century. These well written Arabic treasures enable us to enter the African world of scholarship and deep intellectual thought. Some of them were bound with beautiful leather binding and have stood the test of time. The most famous chronicle in this period was the Tarikh-as-Sudan, or the History of the Sudan, written in 1653 by Timbuktu’s most illustrious historian ‘Abd ar-Rahman as-Sa’di. It gives a detailed exposition of the history of the city from its founding till the time of the writing. The two Tarikhs that support Tarikh as-Sudan are Tarikh al-Fattash by Mahmoud Al Ka’ti and the anonymous Tadhkirat an-Nisyaan or A Reminder to the Oblivious. The two latter chronicles remind us of the glorious past and lament the decline of the city.
Timbuktu’s skyline has always been dominated by its houses of worship. It is to the famous mosques that the old city with its triangular layout owes its different quarters. These adobe mosques have become famous throughout the world for their unique shapes and their long histories. In the northern quarter, at the apex of the triangle lies the Sankore Masjid with its pyramid shaped minaret laced with protruding wooden support beams. It was here that the Sankore University housed its thousands of students and produced some of the greatest scholars in Africa. In the western corner of the city lies the Jingerey Ber Masjid built by Mansa Musa in 1325. Five hundred years later in 1858, the British traveler Henry Barth wrote that the mosque “by its stately appearance made a deep impression on my mind.” This masjid is now considered the oldest standing mosque in West Africa and it has hosted the main Imam of Timbuktu at the only Jumu’ah Prayer (Friday Prayer) in the city since its inception. In times of crisis, it stood as a sanctuary for the people of Timbuktu and a center for deep spiritual reflection. The third major masjid is the Sidi Yahyia Masjid that was originally built by Shaykh Ibrahim Hamallah Al Kunti in the 14th century and rebuilt about 1400 by Amir Muhammad Naddi. It is the best preserved of the main houses of worship and along with the other two is a world heritage site.

The first non-Muslim to enter the city on April 20, 1828 was the French explorer Rene Caille who was disappointed at the state of the buildings of Timbuktu but noted that “apparently all of the population could read the Qur’an and even know it by heart.” The golden age had passed but the spirit of scholarship and piety still remained.
Timbuktu with its thousands of manuscripts and its deep legacy destroys racist notions of Black inferiority and educational backwardness. Timbuktu gives solid proof of a powerful African past and an unbroken chain of African scholarship.
Timbuktu also brings out Islam’s great legacy of development in Africa and its proper place in the annals of African achievement. It’s well preserved lessons of spirituality and peace making may very well hold some of the answers to today’s complex problems of war and never ending conflict. Maybe the heat of the desert sands and the emptiness of its expanse can provide direction for the African Renaissance and even the whole human race.

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Wallahi Billahi I've been feeling this way for a while. Now I know why they invented racism to erase their inferiority in glory of Islam and Black men in command. Plus Islamic power cut them off from the far east for a thousand years thus making Blacks over charge the cacs on spices and other luxuries... God damn, our ancestors were Men :to:
Man they tried 9 different Crusades and Muslims never lost. Muslims never started a single one they had no reason too they were focused on themselves and Historians had so much trouble finding Muslim accounts of the crusades because they didnt care about winning, they expected to win easily.

The Mongols almost defeated us but couldnt do it, the Mongols themselves became Muslim despite almost wiping all Muslims out thats the biggest proof Islam wasnt spread by the Sword, why would the Mongols convert? they never lost until the Mamluks gave them their one and only defeat and that defeat lead to another Muslim empire that lasted until WW1 (ottomans)

When they massacred all the Muslims in Jerusalem the Muslim response when we recaptured was promising to allow the Christians safe passage if they surrendered AND letting the Christians visit Jerusalem to worship :to:

The Golden Age of the Jews was when they were under the protection of the Muslims, Christians hated them so much turned their holy sites into a garbage dump until Umar (ra) went and ordered it cleaned and allowed the Jews to worship freely and they now try and say Muslims are antisemites :to:

The African Empires history is all lost, but we can assume it was no different than the glory of the Moors. They knew about Malaria and Mosquitos while these cacs were almost wiped out because they couldnt figure out the plague

Thats what Islam was, those Caliphates represented Islam truly, these Arab c*nts ruined the reputation of Islam by betraying fellow Muslims to gain power just because the rulers were Turkish :pacspit:

770 years they call it the Reconquista, it took them 770 years to finally defeat the Moors and only because of a civil war. Prophet always warned of Fitnas so true
 

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Man they tried 9 different Crusades and Muslims never lost. Muslims never started a single one they had no reason too they were focused on themselves and Historians had so much trouble finding Muslim accounts of the crusades because they didnt care about winning, they expected to win easily.

The Mongols almost defeated us but couldnt do it, the Mongols themselves became Muslim despite almost wiping all Muslims out thats the biggest proof Islam wasnt spread by the Sword, why would the Mongols convert? they never lost until the Mamluks gave them their one and only defeat and that defeat lead to another Muslim empire that lasted until WW1 (ottomans)

When they massacred all the Muslims in Jerusalem the Muslim response when we recaptured was promising to allow the Christians safe passage if they surrendered AND letting the Christians visit Jerusalem to worship :to:

The Golden Age of the Jews was when they were under the protection of the Muslims, Christians hated them so much turned their holy sites into a garbage dump until Umar (ra) went and ordered it cleaned and allowed the Jews to worship freely and they now try and say Muslims are antisemites :to:

The African Empires history is all lost, but we can assume it was no different than the glory of the Moors. They knew about Malaria and Mosquitos while these cacs were almost wiped out because they couldnt figure out the plague

Thats what Islam was, those Caliphates represented Islam truly, these Arab c*nts ruined the reputation of Islam by betraying fellow Muslims to gain power just because the rulers were Turkish :pacspit:

770 years they call it the Reconquista, it took them 770 years to finally defeat the Moors and only because of a civil war. Prophet always warned of Fitnas so true



All facts subhanallah :wow:
 

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After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arab and Somali merchants barred Indian merchants from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula[6] because of the nearby Roman presence. However, they continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula, which was free from any Roman threat or spies. The reason for barring Indian ships from entering the wealthy Arabian port cities was to protect and hide the exploitative trade practices of the Somali and Arab merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea-Mediterranean Sea commerce.[7] The Indian merchants for centuries brought large quantities of cinnamon from Ceylon and the Far East to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Arab and Somali merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula but in reality, the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships.[8] Through Somali and Arab traders, Indian/Chinese cinnamon was also exported for far higher prices to North Africa, the Near East and Europe, which made the cinnamon trade a very profitable revenue generator, especially for the Somali merchants through whose hands large quantities were shipped across ancient sea and land routes.


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After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arab and Somali merchants barred Indian merchants from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula[6] because of the nearby Roman presence. However, they continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula, which was free from any Roman threat or spies. The reason for barring Indian ships from entering the wealthy Arabian port cities was to protect and hide the exploitative trade practices of the Somali and Arab merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea-Mediterranean Sea commerce.[7] The Indian merchants for centuries brought large quantities of cinnamon from Ceylon and the Far East to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Arab and Somali merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula but in reality, the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships.[8] Through Somali and Arab traders, Indian/Chinese cinnamon was also exported for far higher prices to North Africa, the Near East and Europe, which made the cinnamon trade a very profitable revenue generator, especially for the Somali merchants through whose hands large quantities were shipped across ancient sea and land routes.


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but on a more serious note European Cacs learned CAPITALISM from Muslims too

Economic historians use the term merchant capitalism to refer to the earliest phase in the development of capitalism as an economic and social system. Merchant capitalism is distinguished from more fully developed capitalism by the lack of industrialization and of commercial finance. Merchant houses were backed by relatively small private financiers acting as intermediaries between simple commodity producers and by exchanging debt with each other. Thus, merchant capitalism preceded the capitalist mode of production as a form of capital accumulation. A process of primitive accumulation of capital, upon which commercial finance operations could be based and making application of mass wage labor and industrialization possible, was the necessary precondition for the transformation of merchant capitalism into industrial capitalism.

Early forms of merchant capitalism developed in the medieval Islamic world from the 9th century, and in medieval Europe from the 12th century.[1][2][3] In Europe, merchant capitalism became a significant economic force in the 16th century.

Merchant capitalism - Wikipedia


Did these cacs do anything on their own :scust:
 

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yes thats what weve been saying

bruh look at the USA. The original inhabitants were 100% purely cac. By 2044 this country will be all Latino. Do you think the USA will have a single cac by 2200?

Does that mean that the USA wasnt originally 100% cac?

Populations change DRASTICALLY over centuries when neighboring a different race. Why is it so hard to believe that Arabs and Europeans did the same thing to North Africa and Africa in a longer time period than what the Mexicans did to the US?

Bruh after the Moorish empire fell there was an even bigger, more wealthy West African Muslim empire you think any moor wouldn't have headed there and be among there brothers?

Stop falling for the trick that a countries population is always the same so if it looks different now then the history is wrong.

Someone in 2200 saying the USA was a mexican empire will be fukkin laughed at. No one would even bother arguing with them so why are we arguing the same thing for the Moors?


:whoa: Slow down buddy, America's never been 100% White.

It was inhabited by tens of millions of Native Americans and Africans have been here from the beginning
 

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Is it not common knowledge that 'Dark Ages' is used in a purely Euro-centric context?

Arabs, Moors and Turks, even Byzantines, had stability, technology and growth whereas most of Western Europe was just a gagglefukk of feuding kingdoms and states, under papal hegemony.
 

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In his Prolegomena (The Muqaddimah), 'Abd al-Rahman Ibn Muhammad Ibn Khaldun al-Hadrami of Tunis (A.D. 1332-1406), commonly known as Ibn Khaldun, laid down the foundations of different fields of knowledge, in particular the science of civilization (al-'umran). His significant contributions to economics, however, should place him in the history of economic thought as a major forerunner, if not the "father," of economics, a title which has been given to Adam Smith, whose great works were published some three hundred and seventy years after Ibn Khaldun's death. Not only did Ibn Khaldun plant the germinating seeds of classical economics, whether in production, supply, or cost, but he also pioneered in consumption, demand, and utility, the cornerstones of modern economic theory.

Before Ibn Khaldun, Plato and his contemporary Xenophon presented, probably for the first time In writing, a crude account of the specialization and division of labor. On a non-theoretical level, the ancient Egyptians used the techniques of specialization, particularly in the era of the Eighteenth Dynasty, in order to save time and to produce more work per hour. Following Plato, Aristotle proposed a definition of economics and considered the use of money in his analysis of exchange. His example of the use of a shoe for wear and for its use in exchange was later presented by Adam Smith as the value in use and the value in exchange. Another aspect of economic thought before Ibn Khaldun was that of the Scholastics and of the Canonites, who proposed placing economics within the framework of laws based on religious and moral perceptions for the good of all human beings. Therefore all economic activities were to be undertaken in accordance with such laws.

Ibn Khaldun was cognizant of these ideas, including the one relating to religious and moral perceptions. The relationship between moral and religious principles on one hand and good government on the other is effectively expounded in his citation and discussion of Tahir Ibn al-Husayn's (A.D. 775-822) famous letter to his son 'Abdallah, who ruled Khurasan with his descendants until A.D. 872.1 From the rudimentary thoughts of Tahir2 he developed a theory of taxation which has affected modern economic thought and even economic policies in the United States and elsewhere.

This paper attempts to give Ibn Khaldun his forgotten and long overdue credit and to place him properly within the history of economic thought. He was preceded by a variety of economic but elemental ideas to which he gave substance and depth. Centuries later these same ideas were developed by the Mercantilists, the commercial capitalists of the seventeenth century-Sir William Petty (A.D. 1623-1687), Adam Smith (A.D. 1723-1790), David Ricardo (A.D. 1772-1823), Thomas R. Malthus (A.D. 1766-1834), Karl Marx (A.D. 1818-1883), and John Maynard Keynes (A.D. 1883-1946), to name only a few-and finally by contemporary economic theorists.

"Ibn Khaldun, the Father of Economics"
 

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After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arab and Somali merchants barred Indian merchants from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula[6] because of the nearby Roman presence. However, they continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula, which was free from any Roman threat or spies. The reason for barring Indian ships from entering the wealthy Arabian port cities was to protect and hide the exploitative trade practices of the Somali and Arab merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea-Mediterranean Sea commerce.[7] The Indian merchants for centuries brought large quantities of cinnamon from Ceylon and the Far East to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Arab and Somali merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula but in reality, the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships.[8] Through Somali and Arab traders, Indian/Chinese cinnamon was also exported for far higher prices to North Africa, the Near East and Europe, which made the cinnamon trade a very profitable revenue generator, especially for the Somali merchants through whose hands large quantities were shipped across ancient sea and land routes.


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