The Myth Of the Dark Ages (to hide the Moors' massive contribution to Science and Art)

[Swagnificent]

@Swagnificent Do you consider folks like French Montana or Nikki Mudarris (From "Love & Hip-Hop: Hollywood") mulattoes?

It doesn't matter what I consider them.

Genetically they are similar to East Africans on their father's side and Europeans on their mother's side.

Its DNA testing that says they are mulatto.

 

[OD-MELA]

Swagnificent, even though im certain you're an African American, can you clarify if you are Arab or not? Or as u muricans prefer to say, 'Eyyyyraebb' lol.

 

[Swagnificent]

That doesn't quite exactly mean they're "mulatto." You see Y-DNA is funny like that in that it'll carry down the line regardless of overall ancestry. What I mean by that is if a White man carrying R1b has a child with a Black woman and then their biracial son has a child with a black woman. That black male child will still carry R1b in their Y-DNA despite his overall ancestry being closer to Sub-Saharan Africans then Europeans. Most Berbers overall immediate ancestry is still closer to Mediterraneans and Near-Easteners then Black Africans but can still trace their deep ancestry through their Y-DNA (as you mentioned) to people in East Africa.

False.

Most Berbers look like this.

The ones you are thinking about are a minority. They primarily live along the northern coast of the continent near the Mediterranean. In the interior of the country, most Berbers look like the family above. They are black.

 

[OD-MELA]

Swagnificent why don't you tell me if youre Arab or not? Or am I on ignore and talking to myself lol

 

[Saiyajin]

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum. Something has confused me about the moors people say they were lead by Arabs but most of them were Berbers is this true because when I look at painting of the Moors while I see some black Moors I also see a lot of Arab looking moors too, can someone clarify this? Thank You.

they werent lead by Arabs

the Moors ruled Islamic Spain, Italy and North Africa independently.

but were also considered under the umbrella of the larger Islamic Caliphate.

 

[Saiyajin]

Which Berber group was it that led the invasion of Spain breh, do you know?

no way to know because there are no credible sources

all we know is a man named Tariq ibn Ziyad who might have been a former slave, initially lead 7000 Berbers across Africa into Spain and despite being greatly out numbered, won.

 

[Grano-Grano]

Berbers and Somalis share genetic and linguistic ties.

 

[Grano-Grano]

Linguistic?? aren't Somali's Cushytes breh? I think the Berber languages are very different to the Cushytic languages. As for genetics I know they both have the same parent clade (e3b) but I believe the subclades are different EM78 for Somali's and EM81 For Berbers (The Berber Marker)

Still Afro-Asiatic language group. Also in ancient times Somalis were called the eastern Barbars or Berbers. Both are nomadic pastoralist. It makes sense.

 

[Grano-Grano]

I see what you mean breh but remember the Chadic peoples are also an Afro-Asiatic speaking people like the Hausa but I think it would be reaching a little to call them related to Berbers. I dunno though I'm not a expert on Somali history. I do know Somali's in general lack the EM81 genetic marker which among geneticists is generally accepted as being the "Berber Marker."

I think personally all the Afro-Asiatic language groups and ethnic groups from it are the oldest Africans besides the Khoisans. The ones who attempted civilization that is.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Moor comes from Moorish which means black. WHY people always tryna discredit African people smh. Its. A whole bunch of pictures of moors and even paintings of Columbus with a moor next to him. They black as hell. its 2016 you can't deny facts anymore. The origin of the English term, "Moor," is the Greek word, "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa" which refers to the Black Sea or "mavri spilia" which means "black cave." They literally are calling themselves black and people still arguing lol. Pathetic

Even Nate knows the deal

 

[Dig]

This nikka callin himself smart on the first page

 

[EndDomination]

all conspiracy theories huh

i have no facts to support this huh

i'm the one who's reimagining history ???

You're right about the contributions of the "Moors" (we need to stop using that term, these were a mix of Black African peoples, Berber African peoples, and Maghrebite/Arab peoples, and are distinctly different people with different achievements and different nations), to science, art, and culture.
I think the fact that you're pulling all of your facts from the most popular sources on the planet kind of disproves the idea that any of this information, this knowledge, and these contributions are "hidden." The issue is that this is niche information that most kids learn small parts of, before running off to their careers, most people couldn't name you three White scientists outside of Isaac Newton and Einstein, I don't have hope for them remembering the names of ancient Black scientists that contribued to physics or mathematics.

 

[Saiyajin]

Something I just came across

Da vinci would've never painted this or anything if it wasn't for Al-Andalus preserving and protecting the knowledge of Baghdad from Ghengis Khan and the Mongols who obliterated all libraries

The use of perspective in Renaissance painting caused a revolution in the history of seeing, allowing artists to depict the world from a spectator’s point of view. But the theory of perspective that changed the course of Western art originated elsewhere—it was formulated in Baghdad by the eleventh-century mathematician Ibn al Haithan, known in the West as Alhazen. Using the metaphor of the mutual gaze, or exchanged glances, Hans Belting—preeminent historian and theorist of medieval, Renaissance, and contemporary art—narrates the historical encounter between science and art, between Arab Baghdad and Renaissance Florence, that has had a lasting effect on the culture of the West.

In this lavishly illustrated study, Belting deals with the double history of perspective, as a visual theory based on geometrical abstraction (in the Middle East) and as pictorial theory (in Europe). How could geometrical abstraction be reconceived as a theory for making pictures? During the Middle Ages, Arab mathematics, free from religious discourse, gave rise to a theory of perspective that, later in the West, was transformed into art when European painters adopted the human gaze as their focal point. In the Islamic world, where theology and the visual arts remained closely intertwined, the science of perspective did not become the cornerstone of Islamic art. Florence and Baghdad addresses a provocative question that reaches beyond the realm of aesthetics and mathematics: What happens when Muslims and Christians look upon each other and find their way of viewing the world transformed as a result?

Florence and Baghdad — Hans Belting | Harvard University Press

Before Alhazen’s ideas could be used by Renaissance artists, however, they had to be digested by Renaissance math and science. First Roger Bacon and later Galileo, Johannes Kepler, and others rediscovered Alhazen’s ideas about perspective in translation from the original Arabic. Giotto began to use a crude form of perspective in the earliest days of the Renaissance that was more observation and intuition than science and mathematics. Filippo Brunelleschi and Lorenzo Ghiberti helped translate mathematical perspective into architecture and sculpture, but it took a later generation, perhaps exemplified best by Piero della Francesca, himself trained as a painter and a mathematician, to make mathematical perspective generate whole worlds in paint to gaze upon.

For Muslims, Belting explains, to “counterfeit life” with realistic painting would make “both those who produce them and those who own them guilty of the sin of forging God’s creation, a form of blasphemy.”. For Westerners, however, keen on more human-centered art, depicting the world in art as closely as possible as it did to their own eyes seemed not playing God, but rather a way of getting closer to God. “The new cult of the eye reaches a peak in the writings of Leonardo da Vinci,” Belting writes. The eye “is an excellent thing, superior to all others created by God!” Leonardo proclaimed. In the West, few (most notably Nicholas of Cusa) argued otherwise.

Did the Italian Renaissance Begin in Baghdad?

 

[MostReal]

If you have on demand you can watch Martin's Black Knight on Fuse.

Catch all of the references to the Moors and black Royals while educating and introducing new culture.

 

[Fatboi1]

This shyt crazy