The most important assassination of the 20th century - Patrice Lumumba

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when we dealing with distractions like twimmy white folks just laughing movin on to other sh1...

there's plenty of these huddle niccas planted to confuse and to slow black ppl down.


they got us :wow:

excuse me for talking about individual rights and economic rights in africa and how to develop african countries and how to develop new leadership
 

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Just watched that Lumumba movie...tragic yet repeated pattern. When will we learn to put aside tribalism for the sake of the greater good of a whole people? Killed in the Katanga province and for what? How did they win?

I have to admit that I didn't know much about Patrice Lumumba, but I learned more after reading this thread and doing some research last night and this morning. Hugely important man. John Henrik Clarke once said:

"Any black man who shows his people the face of power must either be assassinated, exiled or driven to suicide."

And the thing that kills me is people really believe all the "African war lord" stuff even though there is so much history showing European and American involvement throughout the continent in these back office deals.

Peace
 

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after years and generations of being pounded by imperialism, social engineering and terrorism some ppl just cave in. it's just more convenient.

so says the man that cosigns an arab calling himself the king of kings of africa
 

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We're talking about Mugabe here and the countless of other revolutionaries who became drunk with power after "liberating" their people. Africa is full of them, from Idi Amin to Mugabe and Bokassa, Bongo, Sassou-Nguesso, Museveni, Al-Bashir, Zenawi, Nguema, Ahidjo, Biya, Compaore (what a disappointment!), Mengistu Haile Maryam, etc etc etc
Nothing tells us that Lumumba would've bucked that trend.:stopitslime:


Man I read a few books on Africa and I was depressed at the amount of corruption that the leaders were into. Even Kwame Nkrumah. You can DEF blame them. They were responsible for countless deaths and nikkas dont wanna hold them accountable. Same cats want to hold MLK responsible for shyt though. (Im looking at you hoopdreams).
 

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one thing people need to under stand is that africa will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever get rich from its resources, the only real money to be made is by using resources to create finished goods

an economic plan that is based on resources is an awful economic plan


Thats real talk tho.
 

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Thats real talk tho.
He wants the Western nations, via Western Imperialism to guide and ultimately not only control African resources, but to also refine and control the trade of the finished products.

Furthermore, he wants them to adopt as many 'western' ideas and economic policies as possible without holding on to a traces of their own forms of governments and economics that are finally beginning to develop after the black genocide. .

He wants to point out any and All negatives about Ghaddfi and ANY African leader who doesn't completely sell out to the West - All while ignoring any positive aspects


despite the following.....
 

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Contrary to popular belief, Libya , which western media described as "Gaddafi's military dictatorship" was in actual fact one of the world's most democratic States.

In 1977 the people of Libya proclaimed the Jamahiriya or "government of the popular masses by themselves and for themselves." The Jamahiriya was a higher form of direct democracy with 'the People as President.' Traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses.

The nation State of Libya was divided into several small communities that were essentially "mini-autonomous States" within a State. These autonomous States had control over their districts and could make a range of decisions including how to allocate oil revenue and budgetary funds. Within these mini autonomous States, the three main bodies of Libya 's democracy were Local Committees, People's Congresses and Executive Revolutionary Councils.

In 2009, Mr. Gaddafi invited the New York Times to Libya to spend two weeks observing the nation's direct democracy. Even the New York Times, that was always highly critical of Colonel Gaddafi, conceded that in Libya, the intention was that “everyone is involved in every decision...Tens of thousands of people take part in local committee meetings to discuss issues and vote on everything from foreign treaties to building schools.” The purpose of these committee meetings was to build a broad based national consensus.

One step up from the Local Committees were the People's Congresses. Representatives from all 800 local committees around the country would meet several times a year at People's Congresses, in Mr. Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte, to pass laws based on what the people said in their local meetings. These congresses had legislative power to write new laws, formulate economic and public policy as well as ratify treaties and agreements.

All Libyans were allowed to take part in local committees meetings and at times Colonel Gaddafi was criticised. In fact, there were numerous occasions when his proposals were rejected by popular vote and the opposite was approved and put forward for legislation.

For instance, on many occasions Mr. Gaddafi proposed the abolition of capital punishment and he pushed for home schooling over traditional schools. However, the People's Congresses wanted to maintain the death penalty and classic schools, and ultimately the will of the People's Congresses prevailed. Similarly, in 2009, Colonel Gaddafi put forward a proposal to essentially abolish the central government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. The People's Congresses rejected this idea too.

The Libyan direct democracy system utilized the word ‘elevation' rather than‘election', and avoided the political campaigning that is a feature of traditional political parties and benefits only the bourgeoisie's well-heeled and well-to-do.

Unlike in the West, Libyans did not vote once every four years for a President and local parliamentarian who would then make all decisions for them. Ordinary Libyans made decisions regarding foreign, domestic and economic policy themselves.

Several western commentators have rightfully pointed out that the unique Jamahiriya system had certain drawbacks, inter alia, regarding attendance, initiative to speak up, and sufficient supervision. Nevertheless, it is clear that Libya conceptualized sovereignty and democracy in a different and progressive way.

Democracy is not just about elections or political parties. True democracy is also about human rights. During the NATO bombardment of Libya , western media conveniently forgot to mention that the United Nations had just prepared a lengthy dossier praising Mr. Gaddafi's human rights achievements. The UN report commended Libya for bettering its "legal protections" for citizens, making human rights a "priority," improving women's rights, educational opportunities and access to housing. During Mr. Gaddafi's era housing was considered a human right. Consequently, there was virtually no homelessness or Libyans living under bridges. How many Libyan homes and bridges did NATO destroy?

One area where the United Nations Human Rights Council praised Mr. Gaddafi profusely is women's rights. Unlike many other nations in the Arab world, women in Libya had the right to education, hold jobs, divorce, hold property and have an income. When Colonel Gaddafi seized power in 1969, few women went to university. Today more than half of Libya 's university students are women. One of the first laws Mr. Gaddafi passed in 1970 was an equal pay for equal work law, only a few years after a similar law was passed in the U.S. In fact, Libyan working mothers enjoyed a range of benefits including cash bonuses for children, free day care, free
health care centres and retirement at 55.

Democracy is not merely about holding elections simply to choose which particular representatives of the elite class should rule over the masses. True democracy is about democratising the economy and giving economic power to the majority.

Fact is, the west has shown that unfettered free markets and genuinely free elections simply cannot co-exist. Organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy. How can capitalism and democracy co-exist if one concentrates wealth and power in the hands of few, and the other seeks to spread power and wealth among many? Mr. Gaddafi's Jamahiriya however, sought to spread economic power amongst the downtrodden many rather than just the privileged few.

Prior to Colonel Gaddafi, King Idris let Standard Oil essentially write Libya 's petroleum laws. Mr. Gaddafi put an end to all of that. Money from oil proceeds was deposited directly into every Libyan citizen's bank account. One wonders if Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum will continue this practice under the new democratic Libya ?

Democracy is not merely about elections or political parties. True democracy is also about equal opportunity through education and the right to life through access tohealth care. Therefore, isn't it ironic that America supposedly bombarded Libya to spread democracy, but increasingly education in America is becoming a privilege not a right and ultimately a debt sentence. If a bright and talented child in the richest nation on earth cannot afford to go to the best schools, society has failed that child. In fact, for young people the world over, education is a passport to freedom. Any nation that makes one pay for such a passport is only free for the rich but not the poor.

Under Mr. Gaddafi, education was a human right and it was free for all Libyans. If a Libyan was unable to find employment after graduation the State would pay that person the average salary of their profession.

For millions of Americans health care is also increasingly becoming a privilege not a right. A recent study by Harvard Medical School estimates that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually in America . Under Mr. Gaddafi, health care was a human right and it was free for all Libyans. Thus, with regards tohealth care, education and economic justice, is America in any position to export democracy to Libya or should America have taken a leaf out of Libya 's book?

Muammar Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa . However, by the time he was assassinated, Libya was unquestionably Africa 's most prosperous nation. Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy in Africa and less people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands . Libyans did not only enjoy free health care and free education, they also enjoyed free electricity and interest free loans. The price of petrol was around $0.14 per liter and 40 loaves of bread cost just $0.15. Consequently, the UN designated Libya the 53rd highest in the world in human development.

The fundamental difference between western democratic systems and the Jamahiriya's direct democracy is that in Libya citizens were given the chance to contribute directly to the decision-making process, not merely through elected representatives. Hence, all Libyans were allowed to voice their views directly – not in one parliament of only a few hundred elite politicians – but in hundreds of committees attended by tens of thousands of ordinary citizens. Far from being a military dictatorship, Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prosperous democracy.
 

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He wants the Western nations, via Western Imperialism to guide and ultimately not only control African resources, but to also refine and control the trade of the finished products.

Furthermore, he wants them to adopt as many 'western' ideas and economic policies as possible without holding on to a traces of their own forms of governments and economics that are finally beginning to develop after the black genocide. .

He wants to point out any and All negatives about Ghaddfi and ANY African leader who doesn't completely sell out to the West - All while ignoring any positive aspects


despite the following.....

dont put words in my mouth fakkit
 

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Right,

I'm the fakkit.

:mjlol:

you're going against truth.

actually you are, you are always crying about something, if you have a problem with something i post just respond to my post, dont come at me sideways like a little fakkit and dont put words in my mouth
 

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actually you are, you are always crying about something, if you have a problem with something i post just respond to my post, dont come at me sideways like a little fakkit
I quoted you plenty of times and told you. :stopitslime:

What do you want me to say the same shyt in response to your propaganda?

Well, individual rights and economic rights in africa- isn't compatible with Western Imperialism.
 

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I quoted you plenty of times and told you. :stopitslime:

What do you want me to say the same shyt in response to your propaganda?

Well, individual rights and economic rights in africa- isn't compatible with Western Imperialism.

the only time you quote me is just to cry about something like a little bytch, i dont want you to say anything, im just saying dont put words in my mouth

i dont even know what the last sentence means so i dont have a response to it
 

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the only time you quote me is just to cry about something like a little bytch, i dont want you to say anything, im just saying dont put words in my mouth

i dont even know what the last sentence means so i dont have a response to it
You can not want individual rights and economic rights in Africa

And also want

Western Imperialism. Period,

All the rest of that other attitude your giving me is irrelevant.
 
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