The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[Sir Richard Spirit]

I see our entire argument went over you head as well. Ana being an all around great person, and someone who's content I typically enjoy and appreciate doesn't absolve her of criticism and as I said earlier in this thread



You don't get a pass for pushing that nonsense on your fairly large platform just because you're an ally

It’s nonsense to you. Not her, an actual woman.

 

[NZA]

such a non issue. nobody calls ana anything other than a woman or lady.

the people who might be able to take issue are hispanics. people really do try to call them latinx in public and many dont like that.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

It’s nonsense to you. Not her, an actual woman.

Olayemi was making a tik tok defending anthem Reese, out of nowhere Ana pulled a clip from 2 weeks ago about how Olayemi felt people were going easy on Ana and deserved to be cooked. Like completely unrelated. And from there a huge civil war between Ana/cenk vs EVERYBODY has erupted. I personally prefer to stay out of these things because I know a lot of the people involved but this Olayemi by herself put them in a body bag with this

A couple of weeks back, Ana tweeted something about feeling dehumanized by people calling her a "birthing person" instead of a woman. A lot of people responded that "Birthing person" used to describe women doesn't actually happen in conversations outside of certain specific settings (ie: trans issue discussions, certain medical discussions). Ana and Cenk disagreed and it got tough (The Young Turfs was trending for a while ).

Anyway, the youtube/podcast/twitch Left mostly addressed the issue by agreeing that Ana had fallen into a rightwing frame on this topic. But the majority of them STRESSED that TYT is good, and Ana and Cenk are on the good side. Emma's initial response on MR was clipped out and titled "Ana Kasparian IS NOT transphobic." Olayemi called out that people were being way to apologetic about it, and basically just said "it's a bad take, we don't need to coddle them."

It died down. No one talking about it anymore. That's when Ana popped up on an unrelated video with beef for Olayemi as if there was a betrayal. Cenk threw this gem out



And a bunch of lefties responded, seeming open to discussing the topic and disagree with some of the framing or approach. Cenk started clapping at them though. Ana went on the air and shot a subliminal at Olayemi and said she's done having leftist guests on the show. Cenk name dropped Lance from the Serfs. TYT hosts are went after people, while also playing the victim card.

This is the actual coverage on the issue from MR...



"I think it's wrong to overinflate the usage of language like 'birthing person'" ..."I think that's the extent of it, it's awkward."

Here's Sam


And to repeat, the stance of "it's a phrase used in very particular settings and that's it, so there's no reason to overhype it" is something Ana herself has taken.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

You could save urself a ton of trouble by reading the thread we’re just talking in circles now

@Sir Richard Spirit

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

You could save urself a ton of trouble by reading the thread we’re just talking in circles now

@Sir Richard Spirit

You’re the one in this thread saying she’s a all around great person who’s content you typically appreciate and enjoy not me .

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

You’re the one in this thread saying she’s a all around great person who’s content you typically appreciate and enjoy not me .

You’re the one who keeps posting dumb nonsensical counter arguments. I don’t agree with @Robbie3000 but i could at least see potentially where he was coming from. That comment you posted about her complaints being valid because she’s a woman ignores the fact women are criticizing her. Just read the thread and you could’ve stopped urself from making that stupid post

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

You’re the one who keeps posting dumb nonsensical counter arguments. I don’t agree with @Robbie3000 but i could at least see potentially where he was coming from. That comment you posted about her complaints being valid because she’s a woman ignores the fact women are criticizing her. Just read the thread and you could’ve stopped urself from making that stupid post

This is a woman saying call me a woman not a birthing person. There’s nothing wrong with that. The same way you don’t think anything is wrong with a woman becoming a man then becoming a birthing person.


That’s it.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

This is a woman saying call me a woman not a birthing person. There’s nothing wrong with that. The same way you don’t think anything is wrong with a woman becoming a man then becoming a birthing person.


That’s it.

It’s incredible like 3 pages of this and y’all still don’t understand anything. Woo boy like I said talking in circles and you simply can’t comprehend what the argument is here which is fukking incredible

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

It’s incredible like 3 pages of this and y’all still don’t understand anything. Woo boy like I said talking in circles and you simply can’t comprehend what the argument is here which is fukking incredible

I’m not missing any point. It’s just your point isn’t valid to me. There’s nothing going over my head.

I’m giving you the answer on the most basic level possible. You just don’t want it. You want me to go back and forth on the politics of it. You want me to look at it like you. I can’t. I’m not willing to give her the same blame I would give to a Republican on this subject.

 

[storyteller]

If she feels degraded is it not worthy of a complaint? She can get on there and defend lgbqt issues non stop, but the moment she defends her own it’s wrong?


She has hours of footage defending lgbqt issues. If the right wing cherry picks her views, there is more than enough footage to push back.

I've posted the clip twice already of her expressing an understanding that the term isn't used to describe all women or her, but in specific contexts. So why should she feel the need to inject herself?

And the second part of your post is just ignoring that everyone of importance in this discussion has pointed out that they recognize her good work. They've differentiated a bad take from being a bad person. Her refusal to engage with people other than acting wronged is some Karen shyt.

 

[folasade]

I've posted the clip twice already of her expressing an understanding that the term isn't used to describe all women or her, but in specific contexts. So why should she feel the need to inject herself?

And the second part of your post is just ignoring that everyone of importance in this discussion has pointed out that they recognize her good work. They've differentiated a bad take from being a bad person. Her refusal to engage with people other than acting wronged is some Karen shyt.

It's pure white woman syndrome where they think everything is about them. I find the term harmless.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

I've posted the clip twice already of her expressing an understanding that the term isn't used to describe all women or her, but in specific contexts. So why should she feel the need to inject herself?

And the second part of your post is just ignoring that everyone of importance in this discussion has pointed out that they recognize her good work. They've differentiated a bad take from being a bad person. Her refusal to engage with people other than acting wronged is some Karen shyt.

Maybe she got tired of pretending? Maybe she got tired of seeing it? Maybe her position changed?

I’m not questioning why a woman felt the need to clarify that she is a woman and not a birthing person.

The same way I’m not questioning why a woman needs to clarify she’s a birthing person and not a woman.


I wonder why only one can be respected

 

[storyteller]

Maybe she got tired of pretending? Maybe she got tired of seeing it? Maybe her position changed?

I’m not questioning why a woman felt the need to clarify that she is a woman and not a birthing person.

The same way I’m not questioning why a woman needs to clarify she’s a birthing person and not a woman.


I wonder why only one can be respected

She could say any of that if that's the way she feels. She hasn't. She's just attacked anyone expressing disagreement. If she won't respond critiques other than to be like "Olayemi's a hater...I'm not having lefties on my show anymore", then she's offering far less respect than she received from any of the critiques offered by her colleagues.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

She could say any of that if that's the way she feels. She hasn't. She's just attacked anyone expressing disagreement. If she won't respond critiques other than to be like "Olayemi's a hater...I'm not having lefties on my show anymore", then she's offering far less respect than she received from any of the critiques offered by her colleagues.

Why would anyone critique a woman who’s says she’s a woman? Crazy.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Such a smug and patronizing take. You do realize not every take a right winger has is inherently wrong even if they are using it for disingenuous purposes? If I believe there are physical differences between trans women and biological women and therefore trans women should not be able to participate in women’s sports, does that make me a right winger too?

Wanna whitesplain to me in a condescending tone how I’m falling for the okie doke again?

This is a major point that I feel needs to be addressed and isn't given enough consideration by people on the left online and where I would suspect part of Ana's frustration and stubborness stems from.

We shouldn't be making our opinions, choices, and actions when speaking on any issue based off the barometer of "how will those on the right wing react to this viewpoint?" Yes, it's a valid concern, but you shouldn't be using it to filter your own beliefs.

If Ben Shapiro retweets something you said or did and is using it to further whatever the fukk his monkey ass is trying to do on that particular day, it doesn't mean that:

A: Your stance is wrong
B: Ben Shapiro is right
C: You agree with Ben Shapiro or his take on the issue.

It could simply mean that Ben Shapiro is a fukking douchebag doing whay he does and if it's not you, he'll find someone else's words to manipulate.

To an earlier point made several times by @Godless Liberal CEO about how we should be ignoring the right when they create bullshyt narratives, is it not possible that right wingers agreeing with something someone on the left may have said is not on the surface evidence of the leftie having a bad take, but just another example in the list of hundreds of them being manipulative for their own personal gain?

I don't really buy the take that since "birthing person" is a term that is only used in specific circumstances that it therefore cannot be problematic (as evidenced by this entire scenario). Independent of what the right may say or think, would you contest that point of view?