The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[storyteller]

We don’t have to go back and forth breh. This is a woman wanting to be considered a woman . That’s the end for me.

You're confused . Everyone stressed, that it's fine for her to want to be called a woman. Here, I timestamped this one so that even a person with the attention span of a small child couldn't miss the "No problem with wanting to be called a woman to..." If all you care about is Ana wanting to be called a woman, no one's debating that part.

You moved the goal posts HELLA fast. You're right though, we don't gotta go back and forth. I don't deal with bad faith.

 

[Oville]

This whole thing started because Ana took offense to people like AOC using the term birthing person.

She has never actually been called this and she cannot provide examples of it being used to demean women because it does not happen. It's a clinical term used to define Trans men and women who retain their ovaries and have the ability to give birth
She was doing a right wing reactionary take and had numerous conservatives going see how extreme the left is Eating their own

That is why this is a garbage take from her. She got a pass last week but now she's not going to get a pass this is right wing reactionary content designed to embarass leftists and its wrong as well. I legit see people in their replies posing as leftists fomenting the drama
Them doubling down I'd exposing their own ignorance


She and Cenk blew this drama up again because Ana wanted to take shots at a black woman and embarassed herself when receipts got pulled

There is no benefit in thinking conservatives have the right take on this
The sheer amount of transphobia permeating their discourse means nothing of value is to be gained

This comment blew up cuz she gave an opinion about how dumb and offensive it is to simply refer to someone as a birthing person and people got at her for saying its an anti trans remark which I don't ser that it is either

This is already Bill Maher-ified. Bill Maher creates strawman arguments from the left to attack, which is what happened here. Everyone who expressed disagreement started with respect and nuance, then Cenk and Ana boiled down the disagreement back to their strawmen. Once people can't have discussions about disagreement and start using any critique as proof they're under attack, they're moving toward reactionary area.

Not really. People on Twitter jumped on her for being anti trans off the comment alone. She didn't back down. All the leftist podcast who disagreed with her did so respectfully except for Olay, who said she shouldn't get treated with kid gkoves and that she has a lot of bad takes and that she's getting coddled as a white woman.

What I think Olay doesn't realize was that yea, the panelist on the show with her were trying to offer light criticism becausr many of them have a relationship with her and saw that twitter painted her in this anti-trans light. By Olay, challenging the panelists for taking it easy on Ana, she's basically saying Ana deserves to have her name driven thru the mud because her comments were anti-trans which I don't think they were on any objective level.

 

[storyteller]

This comment blew up cuz she gave an opinion about how dumb and offensive it is to simply refer to someone as a birthing person and people got at her for saying its an anti trans remark which I don't ser that it is either

Not really. People on Twitter jumped on her for being anti trans off the comment alone. She didn't back down. All the leftist podcast who disagreed with her did so respectfully except for Olay, who said she shouldn't get treated with kid gkoves and that she has a lot of bad takes and that she's getting coddled as a white woman.

What I think Olay doesn't realize was that yea, the panelist on the show with her were trying to offer light criticism becausr many of them have a relationship with her and saw that twitter painted her in this anti-trans light. By Olay, challenging the panelists for taking it easy on Ana, she's basically saying Ana deserves to have her name driven thru the mud because her comments were anti-trans which I don't think they were on any objective level.

I can see that take to an extent, based off the clip of Olayemi that blew up. But she did also say that she didn't think Ana should be attacked personally, dogpiled, or have her entire track record thrown out over the bad take (the rational national clipped it out at around 15 minutes of his response video I linked).

When I mention the strawman arguments, I'm not only speaking on the initial tweet. But the fact that Ana and Cenk have now gone after everyone else who you mention disagreed with them in respectful manner. I'm also talking about this tweet from Cenk:



This purposely obfuscates the prison abolition and defund the police movements. Ironically, that's a debate that got Olayemi on TYT in the first place to explain the nuance of the position, so Cenk knows it isn't the extreme that he's painting it. I think that's incredibly disingenuous of him and that's where I really think you get to a Bill Maher level of using dishonest framing to try and get shots off.

 

[OnFleekTing]

This comment blew up cuz she gave an opinion about how dumb and offensive it is to simply refer to someone as a birthing person and people got at her for saying its an anti trans remark which I don't ser that it is either

Not really. People on Twitter jumped on her for being anti trans off the comment alone. She didn't back down. All the leftist podcast who disagreed with her did so respectfully except for Olay, who said she shouldn't get treated with kid gkoves and that she has a lot of bad takes and that she's getting coddled as a white woman.

What I think Olay doesn't realize was that yea, the panelist on the show with her were trying to offer light criticism becausr many of them have a relationship with her and saw that twitter painted her in this anti-trans light. By Olay, challenging the panelists for taking it easy on Ana, she's basically saying Ana deserves to have her name driven thru the mud because her comments were anti-trans which I don't think they were on any objective level.

Whether she is anti trans or not is irrelevant what she said was transphobic. She can't police how the oppressed group feels about what she said
She used a right wing talking point to say that the trans movement is invalidating women by using "inclusive language"


Ana already understands this talking point as well as she's talked about it before
She didn't think she would get clipped on this or maybe she just thought people didn't pay attention to her opinions(IDK this says a lot about her to me)

She cannot have two opinions on the language it just means she is either lying to her viewers or she is actually doesn't believe this and wants to cause drama


Is it fair to have her name dragged through the mud? No

Are she and Cenk being entirely unreasonable labeling everyone who disagrees with them as extreme leftists? I think so

 

[Oville]

Whether she is anti trans or not is irrelevant what she said was transphobic. She can't police how the oppressed group feels about what she said
She used a right wing talking point to say that the trans movement is invalidating women by using "inclusive language"


Ana already understands this talking point as well as she's talked about it before
She didn't think she would get clipped on this or maybe she just thought people didn't pay attention to her opinions(IDK this says a lot about her to me)

She cannot have two opinions on the language it just means she is either lying to her viewers or she is actually doesn't believe this and wants to cause drama


Is it fair to have her name dragged through the mud? No

Are she and Cenk being entirely unreasonable labeling everyone who disagrees with them as extreme leftists? I think so

If they are saying thst everyone who disagrees with them extremr then I agree with you but I think in there case, there referencing Twitter comments as that are labeling what she said as Transphobic which I think is a stretch.

The video in question that you and Olay posted with her acknowledging gender identity doesn't contradict her feelings about labeling women as a birthing person and how thats an essentially reductionist of what a woman is a belief one can have while acknowledging gender identity.

If you feel like you're getting dog piled on a platform and label as being or saying something transphobic you have a right to defend yourself on that topic.

To say that they been stressing the topic when I don't thinm they haven't even had a segment to address the backlash or the debate is kind of an unfair characterization in my opinion.

 

[Oville]

I can see that take to an extent, based off the clip of Olayemi that blew up. But she did also say that she didn't think Ana should be attacked personally, dogpiled, or have her entire track record thrown out over the bad take (the rational national clipped it out at around 15 minutes of his response video I linked).

When I mention the strawman arguments, I'm not only speaking on the initial tweet. But the fact that Ana and Cenk have now gone after everyone else who you mention disagreed with them in respectful manner. I'm also talking about this tweet from Cenk:



This purposely obfuscates the prison abolition and defund the police movements. Ironically, that's a debate that got Olayemi on TYT in the first place to explain the nuance of the position, so Cenk knows it isn't the extreme that he's painting it. I think that's incredibly disingenuous of him and that's where I really think you get to a Bill Maher level of using dishonest framing to try and get shots off.

When I think it comes to defund the police they were more critical of the labeking and hkw it does with voters as opposed to the policies that come with it. I do know Ana got into hot water because of her critique of some laws that were a bit too lenient on violent offenders and I think that even within the defund the police movement, we can have discussions on appropriate responses on what is fair and what could be downright negligent

 

[storyteller]

When I think it comes to defund the police they were more critical of the labeking and hkw it does with voters as opposed to the policies that come with it. I do know Ana got into hot water because of her critique of some laws that were a bit too lenient on violent offenders and I think that even within the defund the police movement, we can have discussions on appropriate responses on what is fair and what could be downright negligent

They played that "it's bad with voters" card while pushing Rick Caruso over Karen Bass in their local mayoral election. They pushed it over homelessness and criminal justice plans. Caruso is a billionaire, lifetime Republican who switched for 2022 and pushed "give more money to police for training" type concepts. Caruso lost.







They hide behind "what will voters think," but they haven't been good at picking out what voters want, even locally (Cenk tried running himself a ways back and got his ass handed to him).

I agree that we can have discussions over disagreements. But that's not what Ana and Cenk tried to do with Ana's tweet. They doubled down, refused to engage, and acted like everyone else was attacking them in bad faith. If they had honest discussions with the likes of Emma, The Serfs, Rational National, or any others who critiqued them respectfully, they wouldn't be catching heat like they are now.

Plenty of people offered opportunities to discuss these issues, but they've chosen strawmen.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

every other caller is trans now. shyt is weird.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

every other caller is trans now. shyt is weird.

Breh, how many trans people do you know in real life? Like you know their names and shyt, not ones you've seen on the street.

I need an explanation for this new obsession of yours.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Breh, how many trans people do you know in real life? Like you know their names and shyt, not ones you've seen on the street.

I need an explanation for this new obsession of yours.

Enough is enough.

I listen to TMR almost every day and you'd think anti-black racism, poverty, or ACTUAL issues of life and death didn't exist. They easily spent like 1/5th of the Fun Half today on trans shyt. ITS ENOUGH.

 

[Jx2]

Enough is enough.

I listen to TMR almost every day and you'd think anti-black racism, poverty, or ACTUAL issues of life and death didn't exist. They easily spent like 1/5th of the Fun Half today on trans shyt. ITS ENOUGH.

Finalize your heel turn to full blown libertarian/dipping your toe into the water republican you weird fidgety anemic call center little bytch. Out here positioning yourself for the first shadow, message board based contributor to TYT

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Finalize your heel turn to full blown libertarian/dipping your toe into the water republican you weird fidgety anemic call center little bytch. Out here positioning yourself for the first shadow, message board based contributor to TYT

Or I'm a democrat who thinks trans issues shouldn't be on the platform?

 

[Jx2]

Or I'm a democrat who thinks trans issues shouldn't be on the platform?

Right. You have this douchey thing of redistricting your own sense of progressive values so you can rationalize your own cagey ideals from your home land (read: India, also read: modern medieval progressivism).

I don’t have any trans friends or acquaintances. Not a nann… The amount of air time given to this issue by “alpha” males on both sides of the political spectrum however, is weird. Tell us about your strange sexual thoughts instead of railing against them you weird little creep.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Breh, how many trans people do you know in real life? Like you know their names and shyt, not ones you've seen on the street.

I need an explanation for this new obsession of yours.

Counterpoint, how many trans people are there out there that the majority report has to spend so much time discussing their issues?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Right. You have this douchey thing of redistricting your own sense of progressive values so you can rationalize your own cagey ideals from your home land (read: India, also read: modern medieval progressivism).

I don’t have any trans friends or acquaintances. Not a nann… The amount of air time given to this issue by “alpha” males on both sides of the political spectrum however, is weird. Tell us about your strange sexual thoughts instead of railing against them you weird little creep.

I'm not indian you fukking c00n