The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[Slim]

Dems aren’t campaigning on those issues in bold. This gets back to creating a problem that simply doesn’t exist and it feels like way to many people are falling for the okie dokie.

All the shyt you listed is stuff right wingers used the internet to try say are an issue when no one in power is pushing this over the other issues listed. No Dems ran on that stuff in any election so why are yall acting like this is anything other than right wingers creating a problem or agendas that doesn’t actually exist

Exactly!!


Pronouns, Gender identity, voter fraud, CRT, caravans, etc. --- all issues that Republicans manufactured whole cloth as things to run on.

Their base also love it since Republican legislation on those issues does nothing more than strip the rights, power, economic mobility of anyone who isn't a white evangelical.



Ana Kasparian is well aware of this tactic cause she called it our herself (Olayemi's tweet) so she should get rightfully called out by those on the left.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I’m an atheist.

Then I need you to apply some logic here and try and understand why leftists would take issue with Ana’s comments when it’s no different than what right wing media circles do? How many times does it need be explained to you before it takes. You’re falling for the okie dokie and when confronted ur lashing out and accusing others who have present valid arguments of not actually believing what they’re saying despite your agreement on it when right wing circles do it. That's the definition of consistency in application of criticism. It's no different than the people who went after Trump for "Kids in cages" but have remained silent on Biden doing the same fukking thing in terms of immigration policy

This isn't even about ideology. It's about pushing false narratives as propaganda aganist marginalized people which is something you if you're actually a liberal as you say should be in full agreement with us on as being wrong and not something someone like Ana (Who I think is great most of the time BTW) should be doing. You keep missing the point and I don't know if its on purpose or not.

You’re the problem here

 

[storyteller]

Pretty sure I bytched about it earlier in this thread when I happened* Back around the time the abortion ruling dropped. I will look for the episode #.






*not because i am against trans rights. My issue with all of this is the invasion of women’s spaces and issues at a time when women’s rights are being threatened. We should be looking at a broad expansion of human rights that delivers all of the promised and unfulfilled items that Dems have been using to fund raise… instead of pursuing increasingly higher degrees of difficulty on niche issues. It’s like trying to windmill dunk and you can’t even dribble.

Voting rights > pronoun choice
Privacy rights > political correctness
Economic issues > feelings

And on and fukking on.*

I just keep thinking, this shyt doesn't bother, harm, or do anything that should have anyone up in arms

Voting Rights is def more important than pronoun choice. They also don't have shyt to do with each other. I can respect both without harming either. Privacy rights are 100% important right now, and my stance on political correctness is "to each his own." I've never seen "feelings" effect economic issues except when people get butthurt because I point out they don't know what they're talking about on an economic issue we're discussing. Those are all non-sequiturs IMO.

Pronoun choice? Birthing persons? Who is harmed by you calling people what they want to be called? Someone wants me to say "he" or "they" or anything, I don't mind. Just like if someone says "my name is (xxx) but my friends call me (xxx)" I'll use the nickname. I'm not like "you look like a Ted, so I'm calling you Ted" or whatever. Who gives a shyt beyond the person you're talking to? Why do we need to have a political debate about it?

I'll give you another example. I'm latino, my circle of friends is diverse but majority latino. None of us uses Latinx unless we're mocking liberals. But if another Hispanic person asked me to use Latinx, I wouldn't throw a Karen-tantrum over it. I'm not storming to twitter to be like "I AM LATINO. I refuse to be dehumanized by the phrase latinx" because I don't think it's a big deal and I'm not running into the issue enough to even care much. I only see it used on twitter...and to repeat, I live life Latino, surrounded by Latinos/Latinas/LatinX who gives a shyt what it's called?

The pursuit of human rights is a great endeavor and I support that shyt to the fullest. I include the LGBT community in that pursuit, and I respect the steps they take toward their goals as long as it doesn't interfere with mine...and i don't think the rare use of certain terminology has any impact on any thing at all.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

First Ana goes scorched earth against the rest of the left, now Cenk is going on some shytty #BothSides 'news' show to rail against 'woke' language?

You can pretend you don't see the pivot they're attempting to make if you want to.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Folks how are we any different from the republicans if we attack them for things, but are unwilling to attack our ideological peers when they do the same damn thing? It's hypocritical to get on Ben Shapiro for doing that shyt but not Ana. Inconsistency in application of criticism would be the true tell if someone believes in what they say they believe in or not IMO.

 

[storyteller]

Folks how are we any different from the republicans if we attack them for things, but are unwilling to attack our ideological peers when they do the same damn thing? It's hypocritical to get on Ben Shapiro for doing that shyt but not Ana. Inconsistency in application of criticism would be the true tell if someone believes in what they say they believe in or not IMO.

I don't think people should have to be "attacked" but we should be able to discuss areas of disagreement like grown adults. We should be able to critique our peers' takes without it turning into "I've been BETRAYED" or "I'm under ASSAULT." That's Karen behavior. Cenk and Ana have refused to engage with the sincere points people make in any meaningful way. That's why people are increasingly annoyed by them.

And this isn't the first time. Olayemi got on TYT by critiquing Cenk on prison reform, and he proceeded to patronize her throughout their friendly debate. But at least he had her on and let her speak her piece. In this case they're just playing the victim and siding with rightwing framing of the points.

 

[Consigliere]

Dems aren’t campaigning on those issues in bold

I don’t care what Dems are campaigning on their voters are becoming increasingly consumed with and divided by these topics.

Not interested in the right wing deflections.

Y’all are doing the political version of scaring the hoes, stifling conversation and creating purity tests around a series of wedge issues.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I don't think people should have to be "attacked" but we should be able to discuss areas of disagreement like grown adults. We should be able to critique our peers' takes without it turning into "I've been BETRAYED" or "I'm under ASSAULT." That's Karen behavior. Cenk and Ana have refused to engage with the sincere points people make in any meaningful way. That's why people are increasingly annoyed by them.

And this isn't the first time. Olayemi got on TYT by critiquing Cenk on prison reform, and he proceeded to patronize her throughout their friendly debate. But at least he had her on and let her speak her piece. In this case they're just playing the victim and siding with rightwing framing of the points.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

Folks I live in one of the gayest cities in the country and trust me when I tell you none of the shyt right wingers bytch about when it comes to lgbtq community are an issue here.

It’s made up by fascists to give folks an enemy to “protect them from” for votes. That’s it

What’s that have to do with a progressive liberal stating that being called a birthing person is degrading?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I don’t care what Dems are campaigning on

Ok then, you can exit the conversation because it seems like you have no interest in having a good faith discussion on the topic. Blaming the left or liberals for bad faith practices and outright lies and propaganda by the GOP and their media mouthpieces is just dumb and not worth my time or anyone elses of discussing

 

[storyteller]

I don’t care what Dems are campaigning on their voters are becoming increasingly consumed with and divided by these topics.

Not interested in the right wing deflections.

Y’all are doing the political version of scaring the hoes, stifling conversation and creating purity tests around a series of wedge issues.

This seems false when the Dems have been doing pretty damned good electorally recently.

Here's a recent example: 5 takeaways from liberals’ big election-night win in Wisconsin

The voter evidence seems to be pointing toward Dems doing well recently.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

What’s that have to do with a progressive liberal stating that being called a birthing person is degrading?

Everything because I'm telling you no one uses that language. That's the entire part of this argument that the same people just continually let go over their head for reasons I cannot remotely understand. It's reaction garbage and borderline propaganda to attack marginalized groups who haven't done this nor have they been pushing this on the general public.

 

[storyteller]

What’s that have to do with a progressive liberal stating that being called a birthing person is degrading?

A progressive liberal doesn't have to complain about something they aren't being called or engage with right-wing framing of an issue that's not a real issue.

 

[Slim]

I don't think people should have to be "attacked" but we should be able to discuss areas of disagreement like grown adults. We should be able to critique our peers' takes without it turning into "I've been BETRAYED" or "I'm under ASSAULT." That's Karen behavior. Cenk and Ana have refused to engage with the sincere points people make in any meaningful way. That's why people are increasingly annoyed by them.

And this isn't the first time. Olayemi got on TYT by critiquing Cenk on prison reform, and he proceeded to patronize her throughout their friendly debate. But at least he had her on and let her speak her piece. In this case they're just playing the victim and siding with rightwing framing of the points.

This has been so funny to see play out. TYT even shyt on people that were defending Ana and Cenk as allies but saying they disagreed with them.



Ana/Cenk: (insert some TERF shyt)


Sam/Emma/MR: "they're good people. they didn't mean it like that..."

Ana/Cenk: WE SUPER MEANT IT

Sam/Emma/MR: fukk is wrong with you...

Ana/Cenk: We're being ATTACKED BY THE LEFT

 

[storyteller]

Do yall remember when Jordan Peterson blew up? It was over a change to a Canadian law to add pronouns. JP claimed he could be put in prison more misgendering a person and made a huge fight over it. He gained a LOT of attention, got on Joe Rogan, and Kermit hasn't gone away since (except for that time he had a meltdown and got checked into a psychiatric ward in Russia by his daughter).

That turned out to be bullshyt. The law change was minor, he'd never have to worry about imprisonment, and he had just massively exaggerated a small thing to stoke outrage and gain attention. That's all that I think this is. People making a big deal out of something way too minor to complain about.