The Majority Report with Sam Seder Thread

[storyteller]

Why would anyone critique a woman who’s says she’s a woman? Crazy.

Find me an instance where anyone of the leftists in media have said Ana's not allowed to identify as a woman.

 

[storyteller]

This is a major point that I feel needs to be addressed and isn't given enough consideration by people on the left online and where I would suspect part of Ana's frustration and stubborness stems from.

We shouldn't be making our opinions, choices, and actions when speaking on any issue based off the barometer of "how will those on the right wing react to this viewpoint?" Yes, it's a valid concern, but you shouldn't be using it to filter your own beliefs.

If Ben Shapiro retweets something you said or did and is using it to further whatever the fukk his monkey ass is trying to do on that particular day, it doesn't mean that:

A: Your stance is wrong
B: Ben Shapiro is right
C: You agree with Ben Shapiro or his take on the issue.

It could simply mean that Ben Shapiro is a fukking douchebag doing whay he does and if it's not you, he'll find someone else's words to manipulate.

To an earlier point made several times by @Godless Liberal CEO about how we should be ignoring the right when they create bullshyt narratives, is it not possible that right wingers agreeing with something someone on the left may have said is not on the surface evidence of the leftie having a bad take, but just another example in the list of hundreds of them being manipulative for their own personal gain?

I don't really buy the take that since "birthing person" is a term that is only used in specific circumstances that it therefore cannot be problematic (as evidenced by this entire scenario). Independent of what the right may say or think, would you contest that point of view?

Every time someone claims that "Birthing person" is prevalent, I ask them for any examples outside of the contexts that everyone has mentioned. Nobody seems to have any.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Every time someone claims that "Birthing person" is prevalent, I ask them for any examples outside of the contexts that everyone has mentioned. Nobody seems to have any.

I didn't say prevalent, I said problematic.

And to expand my question, in what ways is the term useful? You cited doctors and policy making, but how is that term used in those settings?

 

[storyteller]

I didn't say prevalent, I said problematic.

And to expand my question, in what ways is the term useful? You cited doctors and policy making, but how is that term used in those settings?

I never mentioned policy making.

For doctors it's pretty simple. If a biological female is pregnant, but identifies as something else, a doctor can use inclusive language. Search "pregnancy in transgender men" in PubMed and you'll find results that refer to pregnant transgender men (typically coupled with the need for more research and discussions on best practices). Now, in that sort of discussion, if an author were to refer to both pregnancies for people transitioning and pregnant people who identify as women; a simple catch-all term would be "birthing person." (this covers academic research and doctors in one example, those are the two I've referred to).

 

[OnFleekTing]

such a non issue. nobody calls ana anything other than a woman or lady.

the people who might be able to take issue are hispanics. people really do try to call them latinx in public and many dont like that.

This whole thing started because Ana took offense to people like AOC using the term birthing person.

She has never actually been called this and she cannot provide examples of it being used to demean women because it does not happen. It's a clinical term used to define Trans men and women who retain their ovaries and have the ability to give birth
She was doing a right wing reactionary take and had numerous conservatives going see how extreme the left is Eating their own

That is why this is a garbage take from her. She got a pass last week but now she's not going to get a pass this is right wing reactionary content designed to embarass leftists and its wrong as well. I legit see people in their replies posing as leftists fomenting the drama
Them doubling down I'd exposing their own ignorance


She and Cenk blew this drama up again because Ana wanted to take shots at a black woman and embarassed herself when receipts got pulled

There is no benefit in thinking conservatives have the right take on this
The sheer amount of transphobia permeating their discourse means nothing of value is to be gained

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

Find me an instance where anyone of the leftists in media have said Ana's not allowed to identify as a woman.

We don’t have to go back and forth breh. This is a woman wanting to be considered a woman . That’s the end for me.

 

[storyteller]

We don’t have to go back and forth breh. This is a woman wanting to be considered a woman . That’s the end for me.

Well if that's the end for you, then you don't need to worry about this discussion. Because no one has a problem with women wanting to be called women.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

Well if that's the end for you, then you don't need to worry about this discussion. Because no one has a problem with women wanting to be called women.

Then what’s the problem? lol

 

[storyteller]

Then what’s the problem? lol

I posted the MR response videos to her tweet in the last couple pages. Go watch those if you're still confused.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

I posted the MR response videos to her tweet in the last couple pages. Go watch those if you're still confused.

I watched them all. Everyone is upset about her opinion.

 

[88m3]

Ana needs help, she's clearly very unhappy and not in the best place mentally and I find Cenk alternating between boring and condescending at this point

 

[storyteller]

I watched them all. Everyone is upset about her opinion.

You're confused . Everyone stressed, that it's fine for her to want to be called a woman. Here, I timestamped this one so that even a person with the attention span of a small child couldn't miss the "No problem with wanting to be called a woman to..." If all you care about is Ana wanting to be called a woman, no one's debating that part.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

silly worthless meta “debates” like this one, which at its core from the timeline I’m seeing laid out in this video was actually birthed by classical female petty cattiness between Ana and Olay, pave the road to the Bill Maher-ifaction of the progressive coalition

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

You're confused . Everyone stressed, that it's fine for her to want to be called a woman. Here, I timestamped this one so that even a person with the attention span of a small child couldn't miss the "No problem with wanting to be called a woman to..." If all you care about is Ana wanting to be called a woman, no one's debating that part.

This video proves my point even more. He clearly says if the tweet didn’t have so many likes it wouldn’t even be a issue.



This is like when Seeder blew up on Jamie over what she said about Pelosi. He tried to make it seem like she was defending Trump, but she kept making it clear what she was saying.

 

[storyteller]

silly worthless meta “debates” like this one, which at its core from the timeline I’m seeing laid out in this video was actually birthed by classical female petty cattiness between Ana and Olay, pave the road to the Bill Maher-ifaction of the progressive coalition

This is already Bill Maher-ified. Bill Maher creates strawman arguments from the left to attack, which is what happened here. Everyone who expressed disagreement started with respect and nuance, then Cenk and Ana boiled down the disagreement back to their strawmen. Once people can't have discussions about disagreement and start using any critique as proof they're under attack, they're moving toward reactionary area.