The Majority Of African Americans Are Descended From - Igbo/Yoruba Tribes

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Why are the other regions so hell bent on stopping Igbo independence?

Nigeria is a sham and it would collapse if a region left.

 

[Samori Toure]

Why are the other regions so hell bent on stopping Igbo independence?

I think the answer is oil.

The Igbo of Southeast Nigeria have the same problems as the Tikar people (Bamileke/Bamoun) of the adjoining grasslands of Western Cameroon. Oddly enough both of those areas were under Nigeria at one point, but the English speaking Cameroonians of the grasslands decided to become a part of French speaking Cameroon rather than staying with English speaking Nigeria.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I think the answer is oil.

The Igbo of Southeast Nigeria have the same problems as the Tikar people (Bamileke/Bamoun) of the adjoining grasslands of Western Cameroon. Oddly enough both of those areas were under Nigeria at one point, but the English speaking Cameroonians of the grasslands decided to become a part of French speaking Cameroon rather than staying with English speaking Nigeria.

Interestingly, the oil industry in Igboland is relatively unexplored. Some oil and natural gas areas are being opened in southern Igboland but not to the extent seen in the Niger Delta.

 

[Luke Cage]

I was told i look like an igbo by a nigerian.

 

[broller]

Let's keep this discussion goinh

 

[broller]

Let's keep this discussion going

 

[BigMan]

I feel like the topic of descent for diasporic populations is too speculative.

Going forward, I'd be much more interested in literature about how the interaction between diasporic populations (AAs, Islanders, Africans) is changing the gene pool. I've come across some people with some pretty interesting blends that wouldn't have existed prior to the modern era.

i know family friends that are CV/Antiguan
you're find people with family from across the diaspora in the tri state and Boston fairly frequently

 

[BigMan]

No,this isn't true.

keep in mind these stats do not tell you how many people survived

 

[Neuromancer]

Subs

 

[Samori Toure]

The genetic African makeup of AAs imo is up for grabs and no one can say AAs are one group.

However Sahalian/Muslim West Africans definitely influenced our culture and even are powerful singing.




Vs.

Spot on.

Sahelian West Africans are clearly the most obvious groups that African Americans are descended from. From Kunta Kinte to rice to cotton crops to the Blues to Islam in the USA; it is obvious that African Americans are largely descended from the ethnic groups in that region.

The high Ivory Coast/Ghana test scores on the Ancestry DNA testing is no surprise when it comes to African Americans, because the English leaned heavily on getting people from the "Rice Coast", which are the areas largely from modern day Senegal to Liberia. Many people from the Rice Coast were taken largely to the USA states of Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. The people were shipped largely from Bunce Island in Sierra Leone and Goree Island in Senegal.

Fwiw, AncestryDNA.com doesn't test for Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Burkina Faso, Mauritania or Guinea-Bissau so Ivory Coast/Ghana, Senegal, Mali and Togo/Benin acts as a proxy in those tests for many Sahelian groups. The interesting part is that a lot of African Americans ancestors ended up in slavery due in large part to the decline of the Kingdom of Mali. After that decline many Mande groups moved West into countries like Sierra Leone and Liberia in something called the Mane Invasion (Mande Invasion). A couple of centuries later it was those Mande people that English coveted and paid a high price for, because those groups were highly skilled in the growing of many crops; in handling livestock and in the trades. Of course later on the English found out that those people were highly skilled in music and in the other arts, which is how the banjo, blues and gospel music got to the USA; as well as dishes like jambalya, hopping john, etc., which are offshoots of Jollof Rice.

It didn't seem to matter to the English that most of war prisoners that they purchased to slaves (Mandingos, Mende, etc.) were heavily Muslim; which so many people from that area ended up in the USA and in Anglo Caribbean controlled Islands rather than in Spanish and Portuguese controlled regions.

Incredibly interesting region.

http://www.webmande.net/bibliotheque/massing/mane_mali_decline_mandinka_expansion.pdf
The Gullah: Rice, Slavery, and the Sierra Leone-American Connection | The Gilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery, Resistance, and Abolition

 

[ABlackMan]

What about in South Carolina? Where might they all have been

 

[#1 pick]

Disrespect folks that have done their lineage trace brehs..Majority of African americans can trace their roots back to Southeastern Nigeria breh...

Odum is wrong on this one. While yes, majority of the slaves that came to America was from Angola and Senegal. A vast majority of the women were from Nigeria, especially Igboland and there was an extreme want for Igbo women due to the ability to have many children under less than favorable conditions. Something that other women struggled at. That's not anything to be proud of as we saw in the Eastern Shores of Maryland and how Maryland is still impacted and effected to this day. People just don't know the damage that was done.

As great as Odum is on this sub, he missed the mark here and as always, Samori misses the mark.

 

[#1 pick]

The Yoruba info is not true. The Yorubas were major slave traders through their Oyo Empire. The Oyo Empire is one of the more well documented empires in the slave trade in part because their leaders were known to take trips to Europe during the slave trade. Contrary to what you have been taught that tribes trading their own people....false. Certain groups were set up to trading other groups, they were not trading their own people for 300 years. It was not some free for all, every man for himself. That is why when you look at old documents on the slave trade it always said that Africans sold Negroes. The Europeans knew that those were two different groups. Selling your own people by the tens of millions would be the definition of hustling backwards. There is actually a document with names and the tribes of slaves from various slave ships on another thread. I went though pages and it up to a 1000+ names before I stopped and did not find one documented Yoruba.

Maybe that's the case in Yorubaland but in Igboland, this was not the case, the Arochukwu's were known to sell other Igbos including their own who committed crimes against the law to the forest of no return. These people got rich from it.

 

[#1 pick]

If you notice there were 4 identified Forest States. These were the empires that Esau traded with during the slave trade in that region. The Kingdom of Kongo is not on this map, but they were another empire that did slave trading from Congo/Angola.

Notice that these states were established around the exact same time that Esau began to do his conquering of the Americas. If you look up the Asante Empire, Dahomey Empire, Oyo Empire and Benin Empire. They all had strong partnerships with Esau. Those are the people in Africa that got rich off of the slave trade.

The Igbos came from the Nri Kingdom which began to decline because of attacks from to separate groups Igala and Benin which led to them being major victims of the slave trade, primarily being sold by the Benin Empire through what is identified in the slave trade as the Bight of Biafra. Again, this is well documented. That is why Igbos are the most heavily documented victims of the slave trade although they were not the only groups that were purposely targeted and victimized.

This happened in the early days of slavery to the Americas. Those are the Igbos Landing, Igbos.

 

[#1 pick]

It's important to note that not all Igbo were under the control of Nri Kingdom. Probably only a third were under the sway of Nri. Nri's power was more religious than political. Similar to Arochukwu's importance, although Arochukwu was more willing to use violent force to create hegemony in Igboland.

Igboland has never had a singular ruler. Even when polities like Nri and Arochukwu were around, many Igbo villages/clans were independent of both.

Igboland had many Gods and believed/believes in reincarnation.