The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.

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When are you going to stop trafficking children, @88m3? Do you still think that kidnapping kids is still a valid compromise just to ensure the establishment agenda goes through?

You don't think Republicans are doing the things that I'm saying or it doesn't matter?

How much more would you give the wealthiest race of people in this country to end their bigotry and fascism? Is there a dollar amount or are we talking about the wholesale stripping of rights of minorities like they're demanding and have been pushing for through the courts?


I didn't create this scenario btw Marianne did so idk why you're coming at me sideways
 

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You don't think Republicans are doing the things that I'm saying or it doesn't matter?

How much more would you give the wealthiest race of people in this country to end their bigotry and fascism? Is there a dollar amount or are we talking about the wholesale stripping of rights of minorities like they're demanding and have been pushing for through the courts?


I didn't create this scenario btw Marianne did so idk why you're coming at me sideways


I'm sure whatever you're saying makes sense somewhere in your head. I'll let it stay there where it belongs.
 

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Ivory tower accelerationists hoping they get a chance to rip cloth and tie it around their arms :blessed:

It's no surprise that, once again, you're forced to make false ad hominems instead of dealing with substance again. I live in an ivory tower? How many more lies are you going to make up about me this month?


And hilarious that you're falsely claiming I'm an accelerationist in the same conversation where @88m3 is trying to suggest that i want to make life too easy for people.
 

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Maybe you should go re-read Marianne's post that you found so super?

It wasn't super, it was painfully obvious. You defeat fascism by offering better alternatives. How is that even controversial?

You, on the other hand, seem to think we defeat fascism by berating nonvoters, kissing the ass of landlords and Wall Street, and launching false attacks on your own fukking coalition when they ask for more.


Then you act surprised when you struggle to get Black and Brown voters to the polls.
 

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@88m3, do you seriously think that fascism is solely a rich white phenomena? When you see TLR threads openly pushing fascism, do you assume they're just white trust fund babies in blackface? When Duterte or Bolsonaro or Modi win elections, who do you blame? Do you think African fascism or Caribbean fascism are fairy tales?


Let me quote the prophet Silvio Gesell again. This is what he wrote in 1918:

"In spite of the holy promises of people to banish war once and for all, in spite of the cry of millions “never again war” in spite of all the hopes for a better future I have this to say: If the present monetary system based on interest and compound interest remains in operation, I dare to predict today that it will take less than twenty-five years until we have a new and even worse war. I can foresee the coming development clearly. The present degree of technological advancement will quickly result in a record performance of industry. The buildup of capital will be fast in spite of the enormous losses during the war, and through the oversupply [of money] the interest rate will be lowered [until the money speculators refuse to lower their rates any further]. Money will then be hoarded [causing predictable deflation], economic activities will diminish, and increasing numbers of unemployed persons will roam the streets … within these discontented masses, wild, revolutionary ideas will arise and with it also the poisonous plant called “Super Nationalism” will proliferate. No country will understand the other, and the end can only be war again."

Gesell knew how nationalists found their power, to the point where he was able to perfectly predict the most dramatic story line of the 20th century.


Racist pricks will always exist. Beyond improved integration and better moral education in public schools (which I'm sure only has a slow impact), I don't really know an effective government strategy to reduce their numbers. But what we can do is reduce their power. And the way you reduce their power is by creating a better system than they can offer so the critical mass of support doesn't enter their corner.

It's ironic that @Pressure called me an accelerationist, when the only hope you seem to have for voter turnout is when Trump and company create a reality so bad that your piss-poor alternative looks good in comparison.
 

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Green party was a Russian front. I'm not a bot so I didn't forget. :ufdup:
 

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It wasn't super, it was painfully obvious. You defeat fascism by offering better alternatives. How is that even controversial?

You, on the other hand, seem to think we defeat fascism by berating nonvoters, kissing the ass of landlords and Wall Street, and launching false attacks on your own fukking coalition when they ask for more.


Then you act surprised when you struggle to get Black and Brown voters to the polls.

What alternatives do you and Marianne have in mind?


I just don't see it as being realistic.


There are good landlord and there are bad landlords. If the federal government and state government wants to get more involved in providing housing where it is needed then I'm all for it. I just want to see it done responsibly and where it doesn't turn into some pay for play nonprofit/for profit situation.

As far as what I chose to do professionally why can't you just be happy for me that I was able to escape our country and the worlds terrible work culture?

I don't have anything nice to say about Wall Street.

How am I attacking our coalition? Is our coalition is bigots now too? Having more xyz isn't going to magically deprogram millions of racist bigots.
I'm all for increasing our country's social safety net regardless but that isn't what Marianne is saying.
 

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What alternatives do you and Marianne have in mind?


I just don't see it as being realistic.

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... You don't see a better alternative to fascism as realistic?
 

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Yes, you can. That's the whole point of voting. You get a job review every 2, 4, or 6 years, you get to make your case why you shouldn't get a demotion, and if it's convincing enough, you get to keep your job.

Democracy. Amirite? #Decisions
and if they can't replace you or go through the hassle of dropping you, they keep you :ufdup:
 

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It's no surprise that, once again, you're forced to make false ad hominems instead of dealing with substance again. I live in an ivory tower? How many more lies are you going to make up about me this month?


And hilarious that you're falsely claiming I'm an accelerationist in the same conversation where @88m3 is
trying to suggest that i want to make life too easy for people.

If others are relying on you, then they're relying on you to win elections, not pander to them.
 
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