onelastdeath
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Good debates boys.
Katara was a master bender and so was Toph. Toph learned from the Badgers, and Katara was the second bender to use bloodbending and the first person to be immune to it.Azula was losing to Zuko in the Agni Kai, that's why she had to resort to cheating (yes, firing at a noncombatant is cheating). That was pretty clearly shown.
Now would the fight have gone differently if Azula wasn't going crazy? Probably, but that doesn't change the fact that she was shown to be losing and had to play dirty.
Also, yes, Azula was giving lots of people the work during the series, but let's be honest...she wasn't exactly fighting masters. Lots of people would be able to give 12-year old Aang (who hadn't even learned Earthbending and Firebending) the work. Sure, she was a prodigy but she was still fighting kids who were not, she never fought anybody (outside of Avatar State Aang) on the level of Amon or Kuvira. And while she did manage to take out Aang in the Avatar State, let's not act like it wasn't a cheap shot from behind. Sure, it's impressive in terms of smarts and ruthlessness, but let's not pretend like she's out here fighting the Avatar state head up.
Azula to be honest is one of my favorite characters, but she's not as unbeatable as yall think. She's a prodigy but there are other prodigies in the world. Noatok (ie. Amon) was a waterbending prodigy, Toph was an earthbending prodigy, Kuvira is a metalbending prodigy. etc.
Breh I think you are severely under rating Azula. When she fired the bolt at Katara, she was already off her game and obsessed with being fire lord. Before that, she was taking Aang and Katara on at the same time, a couple of times.
Zuko only stood a chance once he learned bending from the dragons, And once she had gone crazy, before that, she was always giving Zuko that work Even Iroh tried to tell him to fall back.
Azula at her best is probably the 3rd best firebender in both series.
After Ozai and Iroh, and before Zuko.
I consider Katara a prodigy cuz she picked up the blood bending technique and the technique of bending water w/o a huge water source pretty quickly.I already said Toph was a prodigy right in that same post.
Katara is debatable since there weren't many other Waterbenders to compare her to, but I think a lot of Waterbenders in LoK seem stronger than her. Aang was still pretty new at Waterbending and Earthbending when he fought Azula and hadn't learned Firebending yet.
My point is that Azula is not the only bending prodigy in the show, and that the people she was fighting were relatively young and inexperienced. Some of the older more seasoned Benders in Legend of Korra should be able to take her or at least give her a lot of difficulty.
I already said Toph was a prodigy right in that same post.
Katara is debatable since there weren't many other Waterbenders to compare her to, but I think a lot of Waterbenders in LoK seem stronger than her. Aang was still pretty new at Waterbending and Earthbending when he fought Azula and hadn't learned Firebending yet.
My point is that Azula is not the only bending prodigy in the show, and that the people she was fighting were relatively young and inexperienced. Some of the older more seasoned Benders in Legend of Korra should be able to take her or at least give her a lot of difficulty.
Im pretty sure Ozai vocally said that she was better than zuko and that zuko was a failure.
Yeah I still don't know how good Kuvira is. On one hand, she served Korra, but Korra was just getting served by some non bender in a fight club a month prior. She hadn't done any Avatar duties in years. And then, once Korra went into the Avatar State, Kuvira was at her mercy.I wish Kuvira and Suelyin could have squared off so we could get a glimpse of how strong Kuvira really is..
Right now I'm not seeing this Kuvira is a prodigy idea..
Azula took out the Kyoshi warriors, had Ang on skates, and was the first non airbender to fly or glide...Azula in her prime would have been the strongest fire Bender on earth
And as for the Kuvira vs Toph debate. I can't see Toph losing to any earthbender 1v1
Her feel for the earth is too good. Remember Toph could basically feel attacks before they even came. Her daughters use seismic sense for direction, and spying,
Toph used it in battle because she couldn't see at all. She'd know Kuviras moves before they even launched.
@1:53 he moves one foot, and she already knows what to do.
@1:28 she knocks them all down at once.
@2:58 she moves the ground and hits them all while not even moving.
Remind you, she was 11 doing this to some of the best benders in the world.in her prime, so let's say 25. She was probably GOAT
People like to bring up how Toph invented metalbending but never bring up that she learned bending at age 5 to the OG earthbenders, the badger moles. the same way Iroh learned firebending from the Dragons
Earthbending is tied into who she is, it's what gives her sight. She's better at it than anyone who just learns it.
And as for the Kuvira vs Toph debate. I can't see Toph losing to any earthbender 1v1
Her feel for the earth is too good. Remember Toph could basically feel attacks before they even came. Her daughters use seismic sense for direction, and spying,
Toph used it in battle because she couldn't see at all. She'd know Kuviras moves before they even launched.
@1:53 he moves one foot, and she already knows what to do.
@1:28 she knocks them all down at once.
@2:58 she moves the ground and hits them all while not even moving.
Remind you, she was 11 doing this to some of the best benders in the world.in her prime, so let's say 25. She was probably GOAT
People like to bring up how Toph invented metalbending but never bring up that she learned bending at age 5 to the OG earthbenders, the badger moles. the same way Iroh learned firebending from the Dragons
Earthbending is tied into who she is, it's what gives her sight. She's better at it than anyone who just learns it.
My guuuuuuuuurl
The way she moving in that gif looks awfully familiar....
People really saying Kuvira can beat top benders? She beat the avatar yeah, but thats the same avatar that got washed by common street thugs And she was starting to lose when she went in the avatar state. Kuvira just hella confident right now is all.Yeah I still don't know how good Kuvira is. On one hand, she served Korra, but Korra was just getting served by some non bender in a fight club a month prior. She hadn't done any Avatar duties in years. And then, once Korra went into the Avatar State, Kuvira was at her mercy.
The verdict is still out on Kuvira's level. She's accurate and smart, but what happens when someone can fight back