Originalgangsta317
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No.
All that matters is that ring,they both got one, and honestly Cleveland is more impressive as they defeated the defending champs and beat the team with the best record of all time.
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No.
All that matters is that ring,they both got one, and honestly Cleveland is more impressive as they defeated the defending champs and beat the team with the best record of all time.
Cavs
Agreed if you're talking about a single season. I've never hear of that label being given to a team that went 1-1 in the Finals though.
Probably because very few teams win 171 games in a two season span (equal-most in history) with the best offense and one of the best defenses of their era. Measuring atg teams doesn't come down to a strict set of parameters.Agreed if you're talking about a single season. I've never hear of that label being given to a team that went 1-1 in the Finals though.
No.
All that matters is that ring,they both got one, and honestly Cleveland is more impressive as they defeated the defending champs and beat the team with the best record of all time.
Cavs
Disagree, what you do over a stretch of time and how consistent that team is matters too. That's why I want to see how the Cavs respond to a title and how they play this upcoming season.
A lot of people toss aside the 171 wins over two seasons and I suppose I understand why, but I can't assign to that reasoning when its never been done before in the history of this league. Theres a good reason for that and it should be revered in a vacuum. If any other team did that coming off a championship year, I'd be calling them an all time great squad. It's historically significant.
Agreed if you're talking about a single season. I've never hear of that label being given to a team that went 1-1 in the Finals though.
KG's Celtics are an all time great team
basically every era of basketball spawns these squads and you have several emerging from each decade. One title is enough to get in if in that stretch you are historically significant (many consider those C's to be the best defense ever, Warriors have a GOAT tier offense and a top defense to boot)
Originalgangsta317
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And the Cavs took them down,and prolly would've won last year had Krie and Love been healthy,so I gotta disagree with you.
What happened in the games when both teams were healthy/had their full complement of players in this year's Finals?
Can't really subscribe to the what if line of thinking in sports b/c you can spin that a lot of ways, but I'll agree to disagree
Hmmm, yeah, but I would give them that based on 07-08 alone, that was the best version of that team, last year the big 3 were in their prime, historically great defense AND they won the title. Don't think I would feel the same way if they lost in 08 and then won in 2011. At the end of the day the Warriors lost in the wrong year to be considered all time greats.
True, but # of rings is pretty universal and 1-1 doesn't cut it. Sucks, but those are the breaks. Granted this could change if they win the next 2
(without Durant
).
Of course we didn't for one lebron went back to Cleveland
Clippers can't even make it to the WCF
JameisNewton
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This is what defeat looks like @BuddyOmar
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overrated ass team that only won last year ring because of REAL injuries of (kyrie, kevin love)
be 73-9 team to get beat in finals being up by 3-1 breh
be 73-9 team to get beat in finals being up by 3-1 breh
Warriors Stans said:Bu bu but 73 wins, injuries, suspensions.....
The mental gymnastics it takes to call a team atg, but not the team that beat them
It looks like a warriors agenda post
Few posessions away from repeat
oh man the excuses are amazing, thats like when people say karl malone is top 10 all time cause he a beast but he just lost to bulls.Either both cavs and warriors are all time great teams or none of them.
The warriors had greatest regular season, fine, but it doesn't mean much if you dont win a ring, that's what actually the golden state players said too, with steve kerr. They just pulled the biggest choke in nba history choking 3-1 lead for the first time in the finals, to the team that won 16 less games in regular season. You cannot call that team all time great because they didnt win a championship that year, few posessions or not it doesnt change the fact that they blew 3-1 lead. How many non championship teams do you consider the all time great teams?
When we talk about 95 rockets we consider that team all time great because they went against the odds from average record to the championship. Same applies to Bron, he beat the team which was supposed to win, and he put up GODLIKE numbers. Legendary finals, I can call both teams all time great, but dont tell me this statistics numbers saying oh they won more games in regular season they had better advanced stats, that's a biased post because at the end of the day both teams have a championship each, and both teams beat each other.
And look at the matchups of both years, from two years warriors strongest oppoents were okc and cavs, they beat okc lost to cavs, they beat the injured cavs last year.
Meanwhile cavs beat weakass eastern teams and beat the warriors team, a stronger team, which had a few injuries, but not a critical ones like losing kyrie in 2015.
Looks to me that even both team playoff runs were not that much different, both had easy matchups and both beat the strong teams too.