The Legacies Of The Cavs,Warriors And...Gil Scott Herion

[YourMajesty]

Xactly...nothin.

Stop talkin outcha gaped a$$hole, fukk nikka.

fukk on! You was hiding out, talking about ya hoe wouldn't let you log on to post lmaoo.

You a front runner bro

 

[Primetime]

That's the thing tho I see nikkas in this thread trying to discredit what the Cavs just did like it was a fluke...like its something that's been done before.

The east talk is interesting... the east and west talk actually... b/c i wasn't impressed with the east this year but i was also disappointed with how the bottom half of the west playoff teams fell the fukk off. Houston self-imploded Grizzlies were injury-ravaged, Portland lost their entire starting lineup except Damian, New Orleans face-planted, and the Clippers were a roller coaster of fukkery and injuries and more injury fukkery. In the East, there were two teams I felt could give the Cavs a tough series beginning of the year and one of them, like the Rockets, self-imploded (Chicago) and the other got injured *again* (Miami). But see, thats not on the Cavs anymore so than the rockets/clips/grizz/blazers are on the warriors, spurs or okc. I actually give toronto credit for being better than i thought they'd be (mentally) vs the Cavs, after they nearly f'd it up in the 1st round again.

 

[Gravity]

So because they didn't play to the peak of their abilities consistently (which could be argued as the GOAT team) that somehow they don't measure up with other atg teams?

Why do you make simple shyt difficult? GS is not an all time great team because they haven't played like one of the best teams of all time in the playoffs. Period. What you think their peak is doesn't matter.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

fukk on! You was hiding out, talking about ya hoe wouldn't let you log on to post lmaoo.

You a front runner bro

Guess I was fightin ice demons and savin child Oracles too right? Since we just sayin fukk it and makin up shyt.

 

[Gravity]

So basically what others were doing all throughout the last two seasons when they kept bringing up all the "luck" the Warriors had, and how the league was "rigged" in their favor?

No, basically the rhetoric from the last two seasons by people saying that GS was lucky that Cleveland was injured in last year's finals were proven right. So where the people who argue that part of GS's regular season dominance can be explained by how watered down the league is and how the game is ref'ed overall. GS going 7-7 against teams that could match up and were allowed to play more physical than what the regular season allows proves that. I'll repeat, 5 of the 7 losses came by 14 points or more. That's not an all time great team.

 

[KRiLL (+)]

So basically what others were doing all throughout the last two seasons when they kept bringing up all the "luck" the Warriors had, and how the league was "rigged" in their favor?

who said the league was rigged in their favor? all i gotta say is they had a easy road to the finals last year (ex. every starting PG were either out or injured on the teams they played) so they don't get no points for that ring aka asterisk*... yes that's luck, hella lucky... luck ran out this year.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No, basically the rhetoric from the lad two seasons by people saying that GS was lucky that Cleveland was injured in last year's finals were proven right.

Except they weren't, because the Warriors weren't at full-strength either in the last three games. In the games both teams were basically at full-strength the Warriors were 3-0. So those people are wrong who use that reasoning. If they want to use that reasoning than the Warriors are the better team and the Cavs are lucky the Warriors weren't at full strength for the entirety of the most recent Finals.

So where the people who argue that part of GS's regular season dominance can be explained by how watered down the league and how the game is ref'ed overall.

No. Wrong again. The league is as deep as it's ever been and elite teams have always been more favored by the officials.

GS going 7-7 against teams that could match up and were allowed to play more physical than what the regular season allows.

And yet they ran the best and most physical defensive team they faced off the court in the PS (OKC) when they actually played up to their abilities. The Warriors didn't lose the Finals because of how physical and how great Cleveland's defense was. They lost because they couldn't stop the Cavs offense, had an unfortunate suspension and injuries at the wrong time and didn't hit open shots. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Barnes didn't shyt the bed (5-32 shooting) in the remaining three games - that had virtually nothing to do with teams being allowed to be more physical with the Warriors.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

who said the league was rigged in their favor? .

A good portion of this board.

all i gotta say is they had a easy road to the finals last year (ex. every starting PG were either out or injured on the teams they played) so they don't get no points for that ring aka asterisk*... yes that's luck, hella lucky... luck ran out this year.

Yeah I didn't expect you to be reasonable.

Cavs were "lucky" too with what occurred over the last three games. It's what happens. The team that gets the right breaks at the right time usually wins.

 

[KRiLL (+)]

A good portion of this board.

Yeah I didn't expect you to be reasonable.

Cavs were "lucky" too with what occurred over the last three games. It's what happens. The team that gets the right breaks at the right time usually wins.

Green hitting Bron in the groin and getting suspended isn't getting lucky, Bogut was somewhat luck but he on played like 12mpg, Iggy back injury is what it is. that's what his dumbass get for flopping all the time, threw his back out.. Curry committing dumb reaching fouls & playing like shyt isn't luck, Klay disappearing in the 4th isn't luck.

in no way the Green/Bogut situation is equal to not having Love or Kyrie for the Finals, YES it luck but not equal so it incomparable..

 

[ghostwriterx]

Except they weren't, because the Warriors weren't at full-strength either in the last three games. In the games both teams were basically at full-strength the Warriors were 3-0. So those people are wrong who use that reasoning. If they want to use that reasoning than the Warriors are the better team and the Cavs are lucky the Warriors weren't at full strength for the entirety of the most recent Finals.

Hmm, I kinda see what you're getting at, but they did lose a game at full strength when Love was out with a suspension. They lost also twice last year at full strength when the Cavs were down two starters.

 

[Gravity]

Except they weren't, because the Warriors weren't at full-strength either in the last three games. In the games both teams were basically at full-strength the Warriors were 3-0. So those people are wrong who use that reasoning. If they want to use that reasoning than the Warriors are the better team and the Cavs are lucky the Warriors weren't at full strength for the entirety of the Finals.

There's no excuses for GS this year.

No. Wrong again. The league is as deep as it's ever been and elite teams have always been more favored by the officials.

The league isn't deep at all. That's why GS lost just as many games in the playoffs as they did all regular season. Lebron is most likely to be in his 7th straight finals with two different teams. He's almost a one man dynasty in this league.

And yet they ran the best and most physical defensive team they faced off the court in the PS (OKC) when they actually played up to their abilities. The Warriors didn't lose the Finals because of how physical and how great Cleveland's defense was. They lost because they couldn't stop the Cavs offense, had an unfortunate suspension and injuries at the wrong time and didn't hit open shots. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Barnes didn't shyt the bed (5-32 shooting) in the remaining three games - that had virtually nothing to do with teams being allowed to be more physical with the Warriors.

This is just your pro-GS spin tho. You say that they ran OKC off of the floor( fukk outta here. It took a all time great performance from Klay to save them from being eliminated. They didn't run OKC off of the court.) when they started playing up to their abilities and I say that they won 3 straight against OKC mostly because OKC didn't play as well in the last 3 as they did the first 4. Their defensive intensity slacked off and their offensive game plan regressed with KD and Westbrook not living up to "hero" role that they were tryna play. OKC's choke job was slightly smaller than GS's choke job in the finals.

I never said that GS lost the finals because Cleveland played physical. I said that GS didn't look anywhere near as good of a team in the playoffs against teams that could match up with them and were allowed to play physical. GS could've easily won game 7 and that point would still remain. Their team and Steph especially looked a lot different when they game was called more loosely. That's the point. They only had 89 points in game 7 dude. 89 points

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Hmm, I kinda see what you're getting at, but they did lose a game at full strength when Love was out with a suspension. They lost also twice last year at full strength when the Cavs were down two starters.

So if we were to play this "full-strength" hypo-nonsense card - the Warriors are the better team when both squads were basically at their strongest.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the Warriors were the better squad [all things even] - the Cavs won. Just like it didn't matter last season - the Warriors won. shyt like this happens. Teams don't win when all things/opportunities are created equal.

 

[ghostwriterx]

So if we were to play this "full-strength" hypo-nonsense card - the Warriors are the better team when both squads were basically at their strongest.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the Warriors were the better squad [all things even] - the Cavs won. Just like it didn't matter last season - the Warriors won. shyt like this happens. Teams don't win when all things/opportunities are created equal.

You brought that up no?

Sounds like you're jumping through a lot of hoops to cling to the idea that they should be considered an all time great team even though they lost in the Finals.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You brought that up no?

Of course I didn't bring that up - I'm shedding light on the double standard. That's the shyt cornballs have been saying for the last 12 months. I don't use injuries/suspensions or anything of the sort as excuses for teams winning/losing.

Sounds like you're jumping through a lot of hoops to cling to the idea that they should be considered an all time great team even though they lost in the Finals.

ATG teams have lost in the Finals in the past and they will lose in the Finals in the future.

 

[Consumed]

Losing your 2nd and 3rd best players to injury is not a "subtle detail."

That was a hyperbole. Not even losing Andrew Bogut is a subtle detail, I understand that injuries matter.

My point was that teams getting breaks in the postseason is common place, to harp on one and attempt to discredit a champion just shows a lack of historical perspective.

That's like saying curry losing dray and klay being subtle detail

Not really. Kevin Love is a role player against Golden State, certainly not up to Dray or Klay's level of importance although he does matter.

That's beside the point though, I've stated several times that Irving's injury was major. You just don't use that to discredit another teams accomplishments and you don't get to ignore this very same opponent having the same things break against them when you spend an entire offseason placing an asterisk on their championship.

I mean I have zero problems with the Cavs winning the title and you'll never see me post negatively towards Cleveland or LeBron, but I have a HUGE problem with hyprocrites and those who try to detract from NBA history because they let their personal feelings get in the way of objectivity. That happens a lot on this board