The Legacies Of The Cavs,Warriors And...Gil Scott Herion

[ghostwriterx]

Of course I didn't bring that up - I'm shedding light on the double standard. That's the shyt cornballs have been saying for the last 12 months. I don't use injuries/suspensions or anything of the sort as excuses for teams winning/losing.

You're using that same double standard to justify this ridiculous statement...

ATG teams have lost in the Finals in the past and they will lose in the Finals in the future.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're using that same double standard to justify this ridiculous statement...

How the fukk is that making excuses for the Warriors losing because of injuries/suspension/etc etc, and therefore not deeming the Cavs 'legitimate' champions? I don't think you've been paying attention to my posts.

 

[ghostwriterx]

That was a hyperbole. Not even losing Andrew Bogut is a subtle detail, I understand that injuries matter.

My point was that teams getting breaks in the postseason is common place, to harp on one and attempt to discredit a champion just shows a lack of historical perspective.

I think the issue is that there is no historical precedent for what happened to the Cavs/Warriors last year in regard to injuries. Not that I can think of anyway. It was already a weird series as neither team had even been past the 2nd round previously, not sure that's ever happened either. Generally teams in the Finals have "paid their dues" so to speak, that wasn't the case last year and I think its a big part of the "backlash" against GSW.

 

[JameisNewton]

Time for the rubber match next year

Or not. We never got a heat-Spurs rubber match and I'm fine with that being the case in 2017 too. Bring on the clippers or thunder.

 

[ghostwriterx]

How the fukk is that making excuses for the Warriors losing because of injuries/suspension/etc etc? I don't think you've been paying attention to my posts.

The only way you can justify them being an all time great team is to mitigate their loss in the Finals with the breaks that went Cleveland's way (injuries, suspension etc.). How else can you justify all-time great status without a championship? They blew a 3-1 lead in the Finals and lost a game 7 at home to a team that's not an all-time great.

You're essentially saying that doesn't matter? They're still an all-time great because... reasons.

 

[JameisNewton]

You've doubted the Warriors for the last two seasons and they've continued to prove you wrong. Even when you kept moving the goalposts.

They proved him wrong in games 5, 6, and 7? Seems more like the pendulum is swinging the other way and you're too blind to see it.

 

[Gangstar8]

@Gil Scott-Heroin shut up bytch you ain't a warriors fan

 

[Champion]

If you're up 3-1 on a team and can't close them out despite having homecourt in the match-up then you aren't an all-time great team to me.

 

[Consumed]

I think the issue is that there is no historical precedent for what happened to the Cavs/Warriors last year in regard to injuries. Not that I can think of anyway. It was already a weird series as neither team had even been past the 2nd round previously, not sure that's ever happened either. Generally teams in the Finals have "paid their dues" so to speak, that wasn't the case last year and I think its a big part of the "backlash" against GSW.

Yep and it's because people have completely forgotten after the fact. 25 years from now all anyone will care about is the name next to 20XX champion, not who was hurt

1989 Detroit Pistons
No Bird first round

Bucks leading scorer Terry Cummings, passer/top flight wing defender Paul Pressey injured in the second round

Scottie Pippen gets hit with an elbow and knocked out a few minutes into game 6 in the conference finals. Pistons win game 6 by 9

Lakers starting backcourt raveged by injury. Byron Scott hurts himself in practice before the Finals even start and can't play. Magic gets hamstrung mid series and misses most of it

and nobody cares. They shouldn't care because this is a part of sports, people get hurt. shyt happens. But you don't get to take away from peoples hard work because you wanted a different outcome

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The only way you can justify them being an all time great team is to mitigate their loss in the Finals with the breaks that went Cleveland's way (injuries, suspension etc.). How else can you justify all-time great status without a championship? They blew a 3-1 lead in the Finals and lost a game 7 at home to a team that's not an all-time great.
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This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They're an all-time great team because of what they've accomplished and shown throughout the last two seasons.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They proved him wrong in games 5, 6, and 7? Seems more like the pendulum is swinging the other way and you're too blind to see it.

They proved him wrong when he moved the goal posts the first time and when he uses one rule for other teams but doesn't use it for GS. You can go and sit down now @Wachaveli.

 

[ghostwriterx]

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They're an all-time great team because of what they've accomplished and shown throughout the last two seasons.

So the post-season doesn't matter now?
Nobody calls the 2010-2012 Heat an all-time great team.

When we talk about great teams we generally talk about single seasons. We definitely don't talk about teams over 2 seasons who didn't repeat.

 

[DonKnock]

When Bron fell down and broke his wrist


Then stood up and it was fixed again


ATG durability

 

[ghostwriterx]

Yep and it's because people have completely forgotten after the fact. 25 years from now all anyone will care about is the name next to 20XX champion, not who was hurt

1989 Detroit Pistons
No Bird first round

Bucks leading scorer Terry Cummings, passer/top flight wing defender Paul Pressey injured in the second round

Scottie Pippen gets hit with an elbow and knocked out a few minutes into game 6 in the conference finals. Pistons win game 6 by 9

Lakers starting backcourt raveged by injury. Byron Scott hurts himself in practice before the Finals even start and can't play. Magic gets hamstrung mid series and misses most of it

and nobody cares. They shouldn't care because this is a part of sports, people get hurt. shyt happens. But you don't get to take away from peoples hard work because you wanted a different outcome

I think most people understand injuries and sh*t happens, but it was definitely magnified because Irving's injury happened in the Finals, they were already down Love and they still won 2 games against the consensus better team ater that etc. Celtics fans still lamenting bum ass Perkins injury.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So the post-season doesn't matter now?
Nobody calls the 2010-2012 Heat an all-time great team.

When we talk about great teams we generally talk about single seasons. We definitely don't talk about teams over 2 seasons who didn't repeat.

You don't have to win back-to-back or multiple titles to be an atg team. That Heat squad most definitely have an argument for being an all-time great team. The Warriors have basically the same personnel for the last two seasons - it's a team in that sense.