The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[HiiiPower]

At the end of the day I guess I’m the winner
I posed a simple question that nobody could answer .... a simple “yes” or a simple “no” would’ve been suffice

then much later on posters attempted to used Marlene as her guardianship.... thereafter, I proved Ellie just met Marlene a month before Joel - and her & Marlene basically had no relationship at all

you didn’t win anything, Everybody has answered your question at least once, and everybody has realised you’re either a troll or just slow

Every single day in this thread without fail..

“Does Abbys father have the right yes or no?”

 

[old pig]

probably really look like this too...no nose or nothing...damn shame

 

[Pineal Gland]

When you damn sure know you was the one who said Marlene was Ellie guardian and giving by her mother to take care of her .... and I prove to you that shyt was completely wrong

How is Marlene not Ellie's guardian?


Anna's words:

Ellie,

I'm going to share a secret with you, I'm not a big fan of kids and I hate babies. And yet... I'm staring at you and I'm just awestruck.

You're not even a day old and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short.

Marlene will look after you. There's no one in this world I trust more than her. When the time comes she'll tell you all about me. Don't give her too much of a hard time. Try not to be as stubborn as me.

I'm not going to lie, this is a pretty messed up world. It won't be easy. The thing you always have to remember is that,

Side one of the note ends here.

life is worth living! Find your purpose and fight for it.

I see so much strength in you. I know you'll turn out to be the woman you're meant to be.

Forever... your loving mother

Anna

From the comic that happened a YEAR before the game, not a month:

 

[klientel]

See this is the type of shyt that I don’t understand with you nikkaz on here
you saying I was posting silly and contradictions stuff : When you damn sure know you was the one who said Marlene was Ellie guardian and giving by her mother to take care of her .... and I prove to you that shyt was completely wrong
the pre-quill of left behind which clearly states Marlene just met Ellie for the 1st time when she arrived at that Boston boarding school & they never really had a relationship

And I didn’t even come at you on some sideways/slick shyt .... even the other poster that agreed with you originally replied and saluted me and said he didn’t realize - which I expect any reasonable person would do

That clown who said I didn’t play any of them games was salty because he can’t debate me
as i said ... i played LB & TLOU and watched the full walk though of TLOU2

bruh she’s been watching over and protecting Ellie from day one. That’s not an opinion that’s a fact. Why are you arguing this?

She purposely kept Ellie out of the fireflies and stuck in the QZ because that was the safest place for her.

She stayed her distance from her because fireflies were not allowed in the QZs and Marlene in the most high profile firefly alive. I’m not just making this up, this actually happened. From the games perspective Marlene has always been her guardian. It doesn’t matter how much Ellie likes her or what their relationship was, she’s still was her guardian from day one.


This isn’t debatable

 

[old pig]

bruh she’s been watching over and protecting Ellie from day one. That’s not an opinion that’s a fact. Why are you arguing this?

She purposely kept Ellie out of the fireflies and stuck in the QZ because that was the safest place for her.

She stayed her distance from her because fireflies were not allowed in the QZs and Marlene in the most high profile firefly alive. I’m not just making this up, this actually happened. From the games perspective Marlene has always been her guardian. It doesn’t matter how much Ellie likes her or what their relationship was, she’s still was her guardian from day one.


This isn’t debatable

we know for a fact he didn’t play part 2...now he’s proven he didn’t even play part 1...can’t make this shyt up smh...marlene literally says all this shyt in the game...fresh on my mind still since I just replayed it

I get it was cool/fun to talk shyt and speculate about the game before it dropped...and still a little bit funny to continue to do so when the game dropped and there was a lot of hype surrounding the release...but dude is still saying this dumb shyt 3 weeks after the release...his strange “love” for shytting on this game is maniacal at this point

 

[kingofnyc]

It was something like did the doctor or Marlene have the right to decide if Ellie should be sacrificed for the cure?

He never explained what gave Joel the right to make that choice. He just thinks it was his decision only for some reason.

Then when it was brought to his attention that Ellie wanted to do it in the first game he said she was too young so she couldn’t make that choice. So it wasn’t her decision, despite her being ridiculously mature for her age.

When it was brought to his attention that a much older Ellie still wanted to do it, he ignored that. It’s still Joel’s decision only for some reason.

When it was brought to his attention that Marlene has watched over her since she was born as a promise to her mother. And even she realized it needed to be done. He Juelz’d his way into saying it’s still on Joel.

This whole post is so disingenuous it’s comical

 

[5n0man]

This whole post is so disingenuous it’s comical

Question

Why is the question of rather or not it was the fireflies god given right to take Ellie's life such a hang up for you?

In the context of the game, that fact matters very little.

 

[kingofnyc]

No

much respect for being the ONLY one that loves the game for keeping it real

Yes she does, again Abby doesn't know the reason Joel killed her father, all she knows is that her father was murdered by a shady dude named Joel who got paid to have Ellie delivered who then reneged on the deal and killed everyone.

Abby's reasons for revenge makes perfect sense from her perspective

now how is that possible .....
when Abby was in the room as her father and Marlene was making the decision to do the surgery which would have taken Ellie life and Marlene said I’ll let Joel know and Abby father said why and Marlene being a decent person saying it’s only right for what he been through to deliver her

*next scene* Abby walks Into the surgery room and sees her father lying on the floor dead

again, with those 2 events happening right back to back .... how is it possible she doesn’t understand why or the reason that happened to her father

 

[5n0man]

again, with those 2 events happening right back to back .... how is it possible she doesn’t understand why or the reason that happened to her father

She didn't know a damn thing about Joel or what went down in that room. Joel was not Ellie's father, he was someone who got paid to deliver her. Abby nor the fireflies could have known what actually happened during their journey or the extent of the relationship they built on the journey.

For all Abby knows, Joel could have made more demands for his troubles and shyt went left. She didn't know that man, all she knew was that her father was working on saving mankind (from her POV) and got murdered. How could she have known her father refused to back down? From her perspective, her father was always an honest man working for something good, and Joel is some bum willing to do shady shyt for the right price. You think it would be logical for her to just assume Joel was defending himself and blame her father for his own death?


I'm someone who expected trash after the leaks and still came away disappointed by the experience, but I cant wrap my mind around why this particular issue is such a big deal for you. There's alot of issues with the story, the context of Abby's revenge plot isnt one of those issues.

The biggest problem with it is that

Spoiler

This is clearly not a white man

 

[kingofnyc]

bruh she’s been watching over and protecting Ellie from day one. That’s not an opinion that’s a fact. Why are you arguing this?

She purposely kept Ellie out of the fireflies and stuck in the QZ because that was the safest place for her.

She stayed her distance from her because fireflies were not allowed in the QZs and Marlene in the most high profile firefly alive. I’m not just making this up, this actually happened. From the games perspective Marlene has always been her guardian. It doesn’t matter how much Ellie likes her or what their relationship was, she’s still was her guardian from day one.


This isn’t debatable

i’m not arguing about was Marlene watching over Ellie
I am arguing about there being no proof or evidence that states that she is her guardian and more importantly I‘m arguing the fact that they met for the very 1st time when Ellie was 14 years old and they barely know each other

like come on ... are we using common sense in here, how the hell can somebody be your guardian that you don’t even know

 

[5n0man]

I am arguing about there being no proof or evidence that states that she is her guardian and more importantly I‘m arguing the fact that they met for the very 1st time when Ellie was 14 years old and they barely know each other

I mean it's not like they could have went to the courthouse to establish parental guardianship.

 

[Cladyclad]

My GF look like Deena lol

 

[TobiOT]

Haven't been on this thread for nearly two weeks and nikkas are still arguing about the same thing?

 

[Don Homer]

i’m not arguing about was Marlene watching over Ellie
I am arguing about there being no proof or evidence that states that she is her guardian and more importantly I‘m arguing the fact that they met for the very 1st time when Ellie was 14 years old and they barely know each other

like come on ... are we using common sense in here, how the hell can somebody be your guardian that you don’t even know

Dawg get lost. No1 cares about answering your question at this point. The game is doing fine without you

 

[CarltonJunior]

The entire first half should have been the WLF and side story with Lev, with bits and pieces of Abby's background revealed throughout that half.

Joel and ellie should have been a shock reveal with flashback of Abby's father being dead happening right before Joel is killed, by that point the player should have a good understanding of who Abby is as a character, her relationship with her father, and her reasoning behind snapping in a random chance meeting Joel and Tommy.

Now you take control of ellie, who you had no idea was even in the game, and introduce all the other character. Second half starts a day before Joel's death then continues for the 3 days hunting down Abby. End it at the theater scene with one of them dying.

I like this sequencing a lot better. Basically have a whole first half of the game in a story that seems unrelated until you fight Tommy which would be a shock of it's own. The joel death scene would be even more shocking, and then you play as Ellie and the game wouldn't feel like as much of a drag.

I don't necessarily think the ending was an issue, I think their mutual decisions to spare each other is the decision they ultimately would have always made.

That fukks up the revenge plot though and makes Joel's death even less impactful. It's not a big deal if by the time just Joel dies everyone is basically cool with it because he had it coming.

Go that route and you might as well not kill Joel at all. Just scrap the whole premise and do something different.

Maybe they should have slowly revealed why Abby wanted to kill Joel during Ellie's first arc so we feel conflicted along with Ellie.


Also she probably should have not done it with a golf club. Maybe had her execute him but showing more emotion and a little remorse. Because clearly that shyt haunted her after. If she showed emotion and did the whole "you took everything from me" speech I think people would have sympathized with her more.

I actually disagree, never in the game is it implied that Abby was haunted by her decision to kill Joel. Abby didn't give a fukk about him or Ellie for that matter. I think the main regret Abby had was being so loyal to the Wolves and abandoning her and her dad's mission with the Fireflies.

I think that realization hit her when saw that all Scars aren't necessarily bad people and how fast the Wolves were ready to throw her into the bushes for sneaking out to save Owen. But never did she had remorse for Joel.