The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[HiiiPower]

You still didn’t address my original point .... Abby’s father the doctor a.k.a. the surgeon could have easily back the way and allow Joel to take Ellie out of the operating room he was the one that forced Joel to kill him ; that’s on him .... again, if he let Joel go - he would still be alive today

and from what I remember from the original story.... it was no proof that operating on Ellie brain and taking whatever DNA from her was going to be the cure all of humanity according to Marlene - there have been several people prior that was immune to the virus just like Ellie and their DNA didn’t result into a cure

personally speaking I wasn’t a huge fan of Ellie anyway but if I was Joel I probably would’ve did the same thing I couldn’t see myself being attached to a young girl that could have been my daughter and take her to that journey across the country just to give her up for something that wasn't 100%

I respectfully disagree
again, Abby gets absolutely no sympathy - she should be smart enough to understand that her father was going to take the life of a 14-year-old girl based off a potential nothing factual .., again a potential : which he didn’t have the right to take Ellie life only person that can give consent to that would be a biological parents which were already dead even Ellie herself couldn’t give consent because she wasn't a legal age

when you really think about it that aspect of the original TLOU storyline is pretty weak and poorly written ... let’s keep it real what’s the difference of them finding a cure 20 years a.k.a. 2 decades later when more then 2/3 of the population was already wiped out ... You’ll figure after the first several years if they couldn’t find a cure they would’ve to move to a contingency plan, by isolating all non-infected people and sending out an army to kill every person infected and burning them even dropping multiple nuclear bombs

I dear/challenge either of you to legitimately explain how her father taking the life of a 14 year old is justified

i’ll wait

so you’re not going to answer my question .... which ultimately proves the point that I am 100% correct



so this is what I would do for you and others that co-sign with you
I’ll answer the question for yall

Abby‘s father had absolutely positively no right to operate on Ellie brain which would ultimately killed her
again he did not have that right




So since we got that out-of-the-way we can move on
the keyword that you wrote is potential and as others have posted in these threads.... Marlene already said there was plenty of others who had the same immune as Ellie & Unfortunately they couldn’t develop a cure from them

now as far as last week with me speaking on the violence of this game with an all female characters... all I did was post a couple of females who had issues with this
The links and quotes that I posted I thought were needed to be read and seen especially during the current situation the country/the world is going through in addition being very concerned about this so-called feminist movement by this game
personally speaking I just thought it was interesting to bring to the table - nothing more nothing less (not sure why your even bringing this up now) I don’t believe I even gave an opinion on it
but anyways

Abby father should have been once Joel entered the operating room

It’s not cut and dry
Joel didn’t kill Abby’s father .... Abby‘s father killed himself - due to the simple fact he was going to take the life of someone he had no right too
as I previously said the minute Joe walked in the operating room he should’ve backed off and told Marlene in the fireflies to seek another person who’s immune to this virus but he didn’t
he stepped to Joel & once he knew he couldn’t overpower him , he grabbed a shank and put it into Joel’s face and as they say ... the rest is history





I don’t know how you got there maybe you miss read my statement
I’ve been trying to emphasize that the theme of this game is about revenge .... the question I’ve been asking is how is it about revenge when it comes to Abby for the millionth time her father did not have a right to take Ellie life & Joel had every right to defend Ellie life
so at the end of the day Abby gets absolutely positively no sympathy from me ; nor should anybody else with common sense - based off her fathers actions

I really hope this clarifies what we’ve been going back-and-forth with

we just gonna have to agree to disagree
I’m just still completely puzzled how many of y’all seem to not want to acknowledge the simple fact that Abby’s father was in the process of taking the life of a 14-year-old girl on the potential of a cure which has failed several times prior
In the most funny thing about me continuously defending this action was I was never a fan of Ellie in the first place I thought she was really annoying a sort of a brat and I’m not fond of young girls using profanity so I really didn’t like her anyway

again, will just have to agree to disagree

I don’t recall ever Marlene being Ellie caretaker or guardian so she doesn’t even have the right to give Abby father or whomever permission for that type of surgery

What do you exactly mean he killed the soldiers and doctors ?
they was going to kill him for taking Ellie back

the soldiers we’re going to kill Joel anyway
as far as the doctors.... that was basically up to the choice of the player
Abby father was the only one that the player had to kill to continue with the game/storyline

Ellie was 14
She’s under age and can’t make that decision for herself
a decision of that magnitude can only be made by an adult

i don’t know WHY y’all keep saying this shyt
Abby father didn’t get murdered - he was going to take the life of a 14 year old girl ... whom he had no right too take .... Joel didn’t kill him ; Joel saved the 14 year old girl

Respectfully you have it all wrong
Ellie was 14 years old / under age to make that decision only an adult who is 18 or above can make that decision

so Joel didn’t rob her of anything
and again Abby father Had the option to step away and allow Joel to take Ellie off the operating table but he didn’t that’s why I always will say “Joel didn’t kill Abby’s father ... Abby’s father killed himself”

point blank

Ignorance
as I said a million times when Joel walked into the operating room to take Ellie all he had to do was backed up
but, no what did he do ... stupidly, jumped in front of Joel / grabbed a shank and put it to Joel face

.... again wasn’t murder .... more .... like self-defense ....

how is it a reach ?
her father didn’t have the right to take Ellie life & Ellie didn’t have the right to approve her life being taken (cause she was 14)


How is it a stupid point when you still refuse to answer my original question


How is it being disingenuous when you refuse to answer my original question

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Again it’s a simple question
all I need to hear it is that simple yes or a simple no
and the question is.... for the millionth time

did Abby’s father have a right to take the life of a 14 year old girl ?

NO - the dr doesn’t have that right
NO - a 14 year doesn’t have that right

and I don’t believe it was ever established that Marlene was Ellie caretaker/guardian

Come on breh
are you really going to justify a 14 year old making that decision... now that doesn’t make any sense

and I have absolutely no idea where you’re getting the fact that I am trying to have some type of mental gymnastics to justify what Joel did I could care less about that outcome the only question I pose from day 1 is .... does Abby‘s father the doctor and you can throw in Marlene as well - have the right to take Ellie life ?

I’m not even sure it should be considered a selfish act

I can’t even fathom a grown ass man allowing a 14 year old child to make a life or death decision like this

its bananas, if anyone thinks otherwise

At the end of the day I guess I’m the winner
I posed a simple question that nobody could answer .... a simple “yes” or a simple “no” would’ve been suffice

then much later on posters attempted to used Marlene as her guardianship.... thereafter, I proved Ellie just met Marlene a month before Joel - and her & Marlene basically had no relationship at all

At this point y’all just gotta ignore him man, his reply will be “I only asked so many times because no one could answer me” despite EVERYBODY in here answering him lol

He’s moved on from this and is now debating Marlene being her gaurdian, despite numerous posters giving him actual canon proof that she was

 

[old pig]

^^^

he hasn’t played either game and is fixating on little shyt he did saw while watching 5 minute walkthroughs of certain sections

 

[HiiiPower]

the positive percentage actually took over the negative now, the user score of any game will never be accurate, but this game really clawed it’s way out of that 2.something to 5.4

 

[kingofnyc]

It's a situation where you gotta put yourself in their shoes.

Say you walked in on your father dead, your first thought wont be to just stop and contemplate on how that could have happened and rationalize why the stranger may have defended himself.

Even if you as the player feel like Joel was right in his actions, It wouldn't make sense to the character in the game who only has one side of the story.

I completely understand

It’s so simple, and the fact literally most of the people who have contributed to this thread have had to explain this to him in such a simplified way is shocking

Once again this is where our so-called back-and-forth maybe a misunderstanding by yourself & others
my question of whether Abby‘s father has a right to take Ellie life was not based off y’all post is it was based off Neil Druckmaan who said the premise of this game is all about revenge and I was trying to make the point that Abby situation cannot be revenge ... if you go by it’s definition

verb (used with object), re·venged, re·veng·ing.
to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, especially in a resentful or vindictive spirit: He revenged his murdered brother.
to take vengeance for; inflict punishment for; avenge: He revenged his brother's murder.
verb (used without object), re·venged, re·veng·ing.
to take revenge.
noun
the act of revenging; retaliation for injuries or wrongs; vengeance.
something done in vengeance.
the desire to revenge; vindictiveness

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.... *my question* is simply a undeniable ‘NO’ ... Abby’s father did not have the right to take her life
Yes Abby has a right to be extremely angry and that should been the premise of the game but she doesn’t have a right seeking revenge because by its definition there was no wrongdoing on Joel part to save a 14-year-old child

 

[old pig]

what is this nikka even arguing @ this point???????

all this leads back to is “I’m not playing cuz they killed joel”

nikka didn’t need 3 months to argue that

cats already knew what time it was with that segment of “fans”

I use that term loosely cuz dude more than likely didn’t play the first game either and just watched the end scene with the surgeons

explains why he insists on harping on that one shyt lol

 

[kingofnyc]

What point is that video supposed to prove? Other than Joel saying "You're not my daughter, and I sure as hell ain't your dad"?



Here's the definition of guardian, in your words


Can you answer a simple yes or no question for me breh

Has Marlene been looking after Ellie since her mom died?

The point of the video is Ellie emotionally confessing that she has nobody in her life whom she cared about and that would include Marlene who she barely knew
I mean this suppose to be a realism story driven game
BUT the way you’re making Marlene look like this is some type of superhero fictional story where she is the leader of this rebel militia group the fireflies and for 13 years is looking after this child that she doesn’t even know & has never met

like come on breh

 

[Pineal Gland]

The point of the video is Ellie emotionally confessing that she has nobody in her life whom she cared about and that would include Marlene who she barely knew
I mean this suppose to be a realism story driven game
BUT the way you’re making Marlene look like this is some type of superhero fictional story where she is the leader of this rebel militia group the fireflies and for 13 years is looking after this child that she doesn’t even know & has never met

like come on breh

She said everyone she cared about either left her or died... marlene is clearly a part of that idiot



I'm not making Marlene seem like anything, I am going off her words, and the letter by Ellie's mom.... so once again

Can you answer a simple yes or no question for me breh

Has Marlene been looking after Ellie since her mom died?

 

[Ari Gold Bawse]

Ellie was brought up in a military school, Marlene wasnt looking after her

 

[HiiiPower]

I completely understand




Once again this is where our so-called back-and-forth maybe a misunderstanding by yourself & others
my question of whether Abby‘s father has a right to take Ellie life was not based off y’all post is it was based off Neil Druckmaan who said the premise of this game is all about revenge and I was trying to make the point that Abby situation cannot be revenge ... if you go by it’s definition

verb (used with object), re·venged, re·veng·ing.
to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, especially in a resentful or vindictive spirit: He revenged his murdered brother.
to take vengeance for; inflict punishment for; avenge: He revenged his brother's murder.
verb (used without object), re·venged, re·veng·ing.
to take revenge.
noun
the act of revenging; retaliation for injuries or wrongs; vengeance.
something done in vengeance.
the desire to revenge; vindictiveness

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.... *my question* is simply a undeniable ‘NO’ ... Abby’s father did not have the right to take her life
Yes Abby has a right to be extremely angry and that should been the premise of the game but she doesn’t have a right seeking revenge because by its definition there was no wrongdoing on Joel part to save a 14-year-old child

Literally nobody here is misunderstanding you

 

[Animal House]

This game has turned over rocks and lit up caves, weirdos really came out. It’s always a matter of opinion on weather someone likes os dislikes a game, but I haven’t seen a spectacle like this in a long time

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

Just watched 40 mins of video on the lil things in this games details prob gonna run this game back again a 3rd time.

It’s crazy a simple change of storyline where you run as Joel/Ellie first half , Joel dies then second half is Ellie with all the side characters and you are talking about this game being the unequaled goat mix of storytelling , game play and graphics . They could print money off the remakes/remaster like GTA6

 

[HiiiPower]

Just watched 40 mins of video on the lil things in this games details prob gonna run this game back again a 3rd time.

It’s crazy a simple change of storyline where you run as Joel/Ellie first half , Joel dies then second half is Ellie with all the side characters and you are talking about this game being the unequaled goat mix of storytelling , game play and graphics . They could print money off the remakes/remaster like GTA6

what would you be doing that first half tho? Patrols over and over? They live possibly the best/placid life you could hope for in that world, people would complain about it’s pacing even more.

Or...the only way I can see this story working with Joel dying a good way into the game would be him going along with Ellie to avenge Dina being killed at the start and Joel dying at some point along the way, but then people would just complain because an important character like Joel died on a revenge mission for a character no one really knew/cared about with Dina

edit: Tommy could work tho I guess

 

[old pig]

^^^

I wouldn’t have mind a few more snowball fights and the chance to explore that town

 

[HiiiPower]

^^^

I wouldn’t have mind a few more snowball fights and the chance to explore that town

Joel going drinking with Jesse on some Authur/Lenny shyt

 

[old pig]

Joel going drinking with Jesse on some Authur/Lenny shyt

that was a fun mission...forgot about that lol

I think I’m download that game and finish up a few hunting/side missions

I hope the cloud kept my save