The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[The G.O.D II]

Ok so I can finally post in here now that I’m done. This is a great game. Now it’s not better than the first but still damn near neck and neck. It’s an even bigger rollercoaster than the first. I thought Abby and her arc was the best part of the game by far. She had the best locales, set pieces, perks, weapons, etc. The last section(Santa Barbara) was kinda unnecessary but I understand how it was set up for Ellie’s rage to cause her to lose everything and literally everything. Now her arc is done. Move on to Abby/Levi and their quest to find the fireflies in DLC or part 3

 

[KushSkywalker]

Ok so I can finally post in here now that I’m done. This is a great game. Now it’s not better than the first but still damn near neck and neck. It’s an even bigger rollercoaster than the first. I thought Abby and her arc was the best part of the game by far. She had the best locales, set pieces, perks, weapons, etc. The last section(Santa Barbara) was kinda unnecessary but I understand how it was set up for Ellie’s rage to cause her to lose everything and literally everything. Now her arc is done. Move on to Abby/Levi and their quest to find the fireflies in DLC or part 3

Exactly how I felt.

The first due to it being first and hitting so hard will probably always rank higher but this game was still amazing.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Finished..
Likes..
Combat was more satisfying with Ellie over Abby..
Rat King boss was cool but felt very RE..
I know it was a concept art piece..
I guess that was the fan service..
Ellie/Joel scenes
Especially the end
What could have been if competent writing was applied
The game was beautifully done except for some of the faces..
Ie..
Ellie’s face and body looked detached..
During Joel’s death..
Abby didn’t even look like herself in the face..
At the end..
Ellie looked weird too..
Hates..
Plot holes every-fukking-where..
Why was Isaac so feared..
The Scars story was flawed like a muthafukka..
Fighting over land like the Gaza Strip
Abby was way too OP..
This bytch was just punching zombies like a Mack truck
Don’t even get me started on fighting the breh Scar
Why did her whole group hate Joel so much..
Were the other two people in the surgery..
Parents to them..
CW ass love triangles
Literally making Ellie an a$$hole out of thin air..
But Abby is the white savior to two Asian kids
Not enough variety of infected..
They all felt like reskins..
RE 6 did this..
Which Abby=Chris Redfield
bytch minus whale had punched a boulder
If you know..
You know
I know the creators of Days Gone pissed..
This fakkit took a lot of story arch’s from that game
Especially infected being stronger in the winter..
The collectibles
Overall..
I rate it a 6/10
He could have literally made a more poignant ending..
Have Ellie do all of this shyt..
She gets to Abby/Lev..
And they are both dead..
That feeling of not being able to get revenge and still live with the death of Joel..
Dina still leaves..
And her phrase from one..
Everybody dies or leaves..
Would still hit hard..
He still tried to make Abby a sympathetic character..
She didn’t kill Dina..
When Ellie said”she has nothing to do with it”..
But flipped it on Ellie and she was still an a$$hole
That really pissed me the fukk off..
At the end of this rant..
Neil did this shyt on purpose..
Can’t convince me otherwise..
I mean there were strays all throughout this game..
At fans..
Dude really thinks his mainstream directing debut is a foot..
I really hope the HBO series gets cancelled..
So this fakkit can be humbled..
He did no service to the trans community..
He damn sure didn’t portray minorities in the best light..
Still pissed about Sam/Henry from the first one..
If you like this..
And think this is some masterpiece
But this game was a major letdown..
Especially from a big fan of the first..
Naughty Dog doesn’t have to worry about me purchasing another game from them..
And if I do..
It damn sure will be bargain bin
If this fakkit even tries to launch a DLC for this
Bring on Ghost

 

[The G.O.D II]

Now on to the major criticism now(which is basically Joel death). First off, losers gotta stop being so majorly attached. It’s the same shyt with Star Wars. Why wouldn’t Joel be killed in the way he was? He’s older and let his guard down. It’s easy to forget the evil of humanity when you’ve been away from it for years. And they had just survived an infected ambush. This isn’t some husky nikka stumbling in the street like the first game. And then to Abby. Like I said the game right off rip during her section explains her reasoning. Most people would want to avenge the death of their parents and the person who destroyed the only shot at humanity. It all goes back to the overly attachment. This story wasn’t meant to be good guy bad guy. Joel was a piece of shyt. Ellie is a piece of shyt. Abby is a piece of shyt. People are so fukking gullible

 

[5n0man]

Its what it comes off like. I'm not saying its the best game ever made, but people fooling if this isn't a top 5 of the gen, experience. Its like people need everything to be Avengers level shyt and fail to see value in a more nuanced story.

It isnt a top 5 game this generation.



It probably wont even be a top 5 sony exclusive this generation.

 

[KushSkywalker]

What are the plot holes people keep mentioning? Not saying there isn’t any I just can’t think of an example.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Also, do people not understand the ending and why Ellie didn’t kill Abby? It’s basically breaking the cycle of vengeance and violence. It was also a play on the ending of the first. Basically Levi was Ellie in the first game. Just an innocent bystander in a situation that had nothing to do with him. Ellie kills Abby then he comes after her. Someone comes back after him. And the cycle continues. Abby was basically Joel, trying to save the one person she had grown an attachment too. And Ellie was basically Abby but they botched the story telling.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Now on to the major criticism now(which is basically Joel death). First off, losers gotta stop being so majorly attached. It’s the same shyt with Star Wars. Why wouldn’t Joel be killed in the way he was? He’s older and let his guard down. It’s easy to forget the evil of humanity when you’ve been away from it for years. And they had just survived an infected ambush. This isn’t some husky nikka stumbling in the street like the first game. And then to Abby. Like I said the game right off rip during her section explains her reasoning. Most people would want to avenge the death of their parents and the person who destroyed the only shot at humanity. It all goes back to the overly attachment. This story wasn’t meant to be good guy bad guy. Joel was a piece of shyt. Ellie is a piece of shyt. Abby is a piece of shyt. People are so fukking gullible

That's the BIGGEST point of all of the whole series. Its that people inherantly are violent and selfish. Even in the face of earth literally going to shyt people still want to kill EACH OTHER and not focus on the bigger picture or collaborative work. That's Joel's whole motivation. He couldn't bear to lose another daughter so he doomed the world for it. On one hand, you totally get it. On the other hand, his actions snatched away any sense of normalcy someone like Abby coulda ever hoped to have. Low key, Abby's boss fight against Ellie is one of the most engaging moments of the gen to me. I woulda never though they'd have the balls to make you actually play through that section of the story. I just brought the similarities between the two home. It was really well done imo.

While I really like HZD's action and gameplay, I could NOT for the life of me connect with Aloy or the majority of the characters in the game. In TLOU, I was actively rooting for Ellie and Dina to work, for Jessie to be some kind of co-parent, for Abby to die just as gruesomely as Joel. That makes it a better game to me.

 

[Uchiha God]

Neil Druckmann and Halley Gross Open Up About the Biggest Twists of ‘The Last of Us Part II’

Interesting that the ending was changed halfway through. Means they weren't entirely on board with how it should've concluded. Personally don't agree that it isn't honest to Ellie's character to kill Abby when you've been killing people in brutal fashion the whole game.

I support the idea of TLOU2 giving the player agency in the ending. Allowing them to choose if Abby lives or not, rather than having to play the game based on the single interpretation of the director, who admits that not everyone views the story the same/his opinion isn't greater than others -

How can you misinterpret that quote?

The guy just said “everything you need to understand the story is in the game”, that encompasses Ellie ultimately letting Abby go. When he says “whatever we say here doesn’t matter...and players can take their interpretation from it” he’s referring to “Ellie didn’t just abandon the guitar because she can no longer play it”, which is the question he was asked.

The idea of giving player agency over the ending is ridiculous this shyt is a linear experience, not an RPG, and as evidenced, you can’t even trust the audience to understand a simple interview.

Furthermore, not everybody was going to choose the same ending, which would then create a narrative dissonance for this and potential further instalments. Also, the final third of this game isn’t even about revenge any more.

People are idiotic and keep judging this game for not being what they wanted it to be. A safe Kill Bill ride.

 

[Consumed]

How can you misinterpret that quote?

The guy just said “everything you need to understand the story is in the game”, that encompasses Ellie ultimately letting Abby go. When he says “whatever we say here doesn’t matter...and players can take their interpretation from it” he’s referring to “Ellie didn’t just abandon the guitar because she can no longer play it”, which is the question he was asked.

The idea of giving player agency over the ending is ridiculous this shyt is a linear experience, not an RPG, and as evidenced, you can’t even trust the audience to understand a simple interview.

Furthermore, not everybody was going to choose the same ending, which would then create a narrative dissonance for this and potential further instalments. Also, the final third of this game isn’t even about revenge any more.

People are idiotic and keep judging this game for not being what they wanted it to be. A safe Kill Bill ride.

I do understand that multiple endings would cause conflict with future installments. And I do understand why they elected not to do so. I did not say TLOU 2 was trash because it didn't elect to do this (I list my issues with the game, unrelated to that, a few pages back). Just my own preference that you need not share.

He responds to a question that doesn't have a straightforward answer and can be left to player interpretation. This is not the only section of the game that is left ambiguous for the player to decide based on the information given to them. From that quote, and him saying that the ending was Ellie killing Abby for over 50% of the production, I considered multiple endings a good idea to allow the player agency over a pivotal scene.

 

[Uchiha God]

But you just attempted to use the quote from the interview to corroborate the idea of giving players’ agency over a choice that would completely change the narrative. When it’s not what was being said at all. Druckmann was addressing a specific question, and point with that quote. The abandonment of the guitar, and what it means/could mean.

Also, telling you something was conceptualized differently, doesn’t give you the free roam ability to judge the game on/with that information, because ultimately, it is simply trivia.

 

[Consumed]

But you just attempted to use the quote from the interview to corroborate the idea of giving players’ agency over a choice that would completely change the narrative. When it’s not what was being said at all. Druckmann was addressing a specific question, and point with that quote. The abandonment of the guitar, and what it means/could mean.

Also, telling you something was conceptualized differently, doesn’t give you the free roam ability to judge the game on/with that information, because ultimately, it is simply trivia.

he said the team had Ellie killing Abby for over 50% of the production. That was the primary impetus for supporting an alternate ending that fit their original vision, while aligning with what some of the player base would also want to experience.

I don't disagree with your second point. Supporting multiple endings is entirely selfish on my part, and not a true criticism of the game that I listed in detail earlier in this thread.

 

[Infamous45]

A game you guys should play is Spec ops: The line - it has a great story but janky gameplay. It handles getting into the players mind similar and in my opinion better than this.

 

[Mike809]

Ok so I can finally post in here now that I’m done. This is a great game. Now it’s not better than the first but still damn near neck and neck. It’s an even bigger rollercoaster than the first. I thought Abby and her arc was the best part of the game by far. She had the best locales, set pieces, perks, weapons, etc. The last section(Santa Barbara) was kinda unnecessary but I understand how it was set up for Ellie’s rage to cause her to lose everything and literally everything. Now her arc is done. Move on to Abby/Levi and their quest to find the fireflies in DLC or part 3

I actually like this story more. It felt more mature to me with the redemption/crazy vengeance theme.

I would have been satisfy if the game ended when you was sitting on the tractor with the baby. I though that was the ending.

I was stuck at a crossroad between rooting for abby or ellie. I ended up choosing Abby and I was about to be upset during the last fight when I thought ellie was going to drown her. Abby went from a hated character to surpassing ellie in my eyes. Just seeing how she spared ellie's life not once but twice. Goat story.

 

[Mike809]

It isnt a top 5 game this generation.



It probably wont even be a top 5 sony exclusive this generation.

What would be your top 5 games of this gen ?