The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Rell Lauren]

That's the thing. I remember Battlefield V. People said that they weren't going to buy it. Still sold 7m+ copies.

And it's the worst installment of the series. Battlefront 2 was the same because of the lootbox issue. It moved units.

 

[5n0man]

That's the thing. I remember Battlefield V. People said that they weren't going to buy it. Still sold 7m+ copies.

Battlefield V sold alot still but EA has been open about it not selling as much as they expected.

The series went from potentially dethroning call of duty to being one of the most shytted on franchise this generation.

 

[Sghost597]

Joel dying brutally isnt the problem and is the proper way for him to go considering the series.

The problem is having to control his killer right after.

This wouldn't be so bad if Abby was the protagonist from the start and killing Joel happens halfway through the game after you've built a connection with Abby and understand her reason for revenge. Then they could have switched to ellie and have you kill Abby at the end. That would have been a much more emotional conclusion since you had time to connect with both characters.

The entire story would work better if they flipped the roles of abby and ellie.

Abby should have been advertised as the main character from the jump with no clue of joel and ellie being in the game and then taking control of ellie halfway through to kill abby should have been the twist.

I think them butchering the game in development due to bad employee practices/tornover forced this bad execution. This could of work phenomenally with 3 playable character. Joel, Abby, and Ellie that just switch throughout the game. Push Joel's death further down the game and Abby being chasing down by Ellie for the last hour minute of the game. Abby never finding out what Fireflies was really doing to innocent immune have to arise after Joel's death.

Everything felt sooo rushed. This plot can really work. Playing Abby after killing Joel can work. Yet, they completely fukked it all up in executing it.

Start the game as Abby and enrich her back story
Jump to Ellie and lay the foundation of the revenge storyline
Then Jump to Joel doing his thing and layering another theme of the cycle of violence
Go back to Ellie with last minute Joel bonding and revealing the truth of what happened with the Fireflies
You get the meeting of Abby, Joel, and Ellie with Joel's death
Ellie "Cycle of revenge" cutscene / A simple Joel flashblack level
Return to Abby in a state of surrealism and finding the truth of what really happened at the hospital and being relentlessly chased down by Ellie
Game ends with a boss battle and Abby breaking the cycle by not killing Ellie and telling that Joel did the right thing.

That's the importance of refining an idea instead of forcing something without proper highs and lows

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Him dying fits with the world they are in. There are consequences to your actions. I'm willing to give Abby a chance, it's just something they could have mentioned at E3 two years ago. If the story is good, which is why the majority of people are playing this game, then I don't mind. But don't have people thinking it's going to be the Ellie show.

They should have just been up front and honest about it from the beginning. It’s actually a good thing that it came out know as people can determine whether or not they want to purchase the game.

 

[Big Dick]

The thing I’m confused about as I’m seeing mad dudes on Reddit saying this is obvious agenda pushing by having Joel killed by a woman...so is showing a woman character kill a man character supposed to make people go women are super nice with it from now on ima support everything they do?

Is that that what they mean?

 

[ItWasWritten]

fukkman says they went gold .....

 

[old pig]

the hype for this game is immense...I’m probably gonna crack and buy it

it’s too big a gaming experience to ignore

if I can accumulate enough reward points to get it for around $30 or less then I will

best case scenario I enjoy playing thru it...worst case I @ least can offer some valid criticism after playing thru it

 

[tinnyskillz]

Take it with a grain.

 

[ItWasWritten]

Take it with a grain.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

 

[Sghost597]

Take it with a grain.

Those NDA for tester aren't a joke.

 

[Amirah Dyme's Husband]

Someone please tell that she's cishet.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

So basically: a random doctor is retconned as the catalyst for Joel's death thus allowing a character nobody gives 2 shyts about to be shoehorned into the story?

Peak storytelling

 

[Carlton Banks]

Joel dying brutally isnt the problem and is the proper way for him to go considering the series.

The problem is having to control his killer right after.

This wouldn't be so bad if Abby was the protagonist from the start and killing Joel happens halfway through the game after you've built a connection with Abby and understand her reason for revenge. Then they could have switched to ellie and have you kill Abby at the end. That would have been a much more emotional conclusion since you had time to connect with both characters.

The entire story would work better if they flipped the roles of abby and ellie.

Abby should have been advertised as the main character from the jump with no clue of joel and ellie being in the game and then taking control of ellie halfway through to kill abby should have been the twist.

Real talk

 

[RARI_Godwind]

The thing I’m confused about as I’m seeing mad dudes on Reddit saying this is obvious agenda pushing by having Joel killed by a woman...so is showing a woman character kill a man character supposed to make people go women are super nice with it from now on ima support everything they do?

Is that that what they mean?

I think, at least symbolically, they’re taking it as the death of a status quo that heavily favors them. That they’re being “forced” to play as women, as gay people, as trans people if they want to stay current in the gamesphere. And as other people’s representation becomes more prevalent, theirs will subside immensely. So it could be a quite literal changing of the guard if you so choose to take it that way.