The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[SmokyQuartz]

Dina: Why didn't they kill you and Tommy?

Ellie: Maybe their just dumb

Dina:

 

[klientel]

Come on breh
are you really going to justify a 14 year old making that decision... now that doesn’t make any sense

and I have absolutely no idea where you’re getting the fact that I am trying to have some type of mental gymnastics to justify what Joel did I could care less about that outcome the only question I pose from day 1 is .... does Abby‘s father the doctor and you can throw in Marlene as well - have the right to take Ellie life ?

I'm really starting to think @surf is right and you never played any of the games, the general theme of the entire series just went over your head....

Does any character in the game have the right to take anyone's life? No, but that didn't stop them from killing people constantly...Joel included. And they did what they thought was necessary to survive and that's killing a ton of fukking people. Abby's father literally said they can save millions of lives and all the bullshyt they went through is justified with one act. There is no decision to make here, its literally....

1. Save millions of lives, which literally benefits everyone still alive on earth. (I don't wanna hear anything about maybe they couldn't mass produce the vaccine or maybe it wouldn't work. That shyt is dumb, its a video game and the writers framed it in a way that made it seem Abby's father could do it somehow. So it is what it is....he could make the vaccine.)

2. Save Ellie, which only benefits Joel and she hates him for it.

Any normal person would sacrifice Ellie in this situation. Even Ellie would sacrifice Ellie

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I'm really starting to think @surf is right and you never played any of the games, the general theme of the entire series just went over your head....

Does any character in the game have the right to take anyone's life? No, but that didn't stop them from killing people constantly...Joel included. And they did what they thought was necessary to survive and that's killing a ton of fukking people. Abby's father literally said they can save millions of lives and all the bullshyt they went through is justified with one act. There is no decision to make here, its literally....

1. Save millions of lives, which literally benefits everyone still alive on earth. (I don't wanna hear anything about maybe they couldn't mass produce the vaccine or maybe it wouldn't work. That shyt is dumb, its a video game and the writers framed it in a way that made it seem Abby's father could do it somehow. So it is what it is....he could make the vaccine.)

2. Save Ellie, which only benefits Joel and she hates him for it.

Any normal person would sacrifice Ellie in this situation. Even Ellie would sacrifice Ellie

I disagree. Nah breh I think a lot of people would have made the same selfish decision that Joel did. They’d be lying if they said that they didn’t.

The parental side of him kicked in at that moment eventhough she wasn’t biologically his daughter.

 

[SmokyQuartz]

I'm really starting to think @surf is right and you never played any of the games, the general theme of the entire series just went over your head....

Does any character in the game have the right to take anyone's life? No, but that didn't stop them from killing people constantly...Joel included. And they did what they thought was necessary to survive and that's killing a ton of fukking people. Abby's father literally said they can save millions of lives and all the bullshyt they went through is justified with one act. There is no decision to make here, its literally....

1. Save millions of lives, which literally benefits everyone still alive on earth. (I don't wanna hear anything about maybe they couldn't mass produce the vaccine or maybe it wouldn't work. That shyt is dumb, its a video game and the writers framed it in a way that made it seem Abby's father could do it somehow. So it is what it is....he could make the vaccine.)

2. Save Ellie, which only benefits Joel and she hates him for it.

Any normal person would sacrifice Ellie in this situation. Even Ellie would sacrifice Ellie

LMAO!!!! The Fireflies were written to be incompetent throughout the whole first game but now these nikkas could make a vaccine for a fukking fungus (which has never been done before) AND mass produce it when the Government already done pretty much wiped these nikkas out and are actively hunting them down? Marlene was even talking about how they lost people on the trip from Boston but these goofy ass nikkas who couldn't get from point A to point B without fukking up are gonna save the world? The writers can frame whatever they want it still has to make sense, if it doesn't that's what bad writing is. Talking bout some ole "could do it somehow" nikka stop

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

LMAO!!!! The Fireflies were written to be incompetent throughout the whole first game but now these nikkas could make a vaccine for a fukking fungus (which has never been done before) AND mass produce it when the Government already done pretty much wiped these nikkas out and are actively hunting them down? Marlene was even talking about how they lost people on the trip from Boston but these goofy ass nikkas who couldn't get from point A to point B without fukking up are gonna save the world? The writers can frame whatever they want it still has to make sense, if it doesn't that's what bad writing is. Talking bout some ole "could do it somehow" nikka stop

And even if they were to come up with a vaccine there was no way that they would give that shyt up for free even if it was to better society and the world.

The moment they mention that they have a vaccine, the government and everyone else is coming to nuke the last remaining members they have left and stealing that shyt

 

[old pig]

I'm really starting to think @surf is right and you never played any of the games...

he DEFINITELY has not played two...and I questioned whether or not he played one after this comment...

With characters name Joel, Ellie, Abby, Dina = sounds like a game for cacs

 

[Draje]

But whether if he’s a scumbag or not isn’t important. What’s important is who I was riding for. Who my loyalty was to. And that was Joel.

So why are you riding for Joel and why are you loyal to him? Outside of the fact that you’re playing him.

 

[Draje]

Where was it stated that he had murdered children before?

No offense but you wouldn’t have survived long with that mentality especially when food and resources are scarce and hard to come by. They weren’t just robbing them for the hell of it, but more so to survive.

You can make the case that Joel going back to Tommy’s and developing his mentality is what got him killed in the first place. He got too comfortable and let his guard down.

Mostly implied but he killed innocent civilians and when you start looking around the Raiders little facility, you start seeing the clothes and shoes of loads of people with the Raiders documenting everything they got. The game framed that entire segment as “Joel knows how this goes because he’s done these exact same things before”.

We know kids exist in the world, Joel was willing to leave Ellie to die in the beginning of the game, and is pretty morally repugnant. He barely even shows remorse for all the people he’s killed.

So you’re saying you’d prey on weaker civilians, women, and innocents if it came down to it?

Ellie was able to hunt and find food in the winter to survive for a prolonged period of time but Joel was forced to murder innocent civilians? We know wildlife is still around too.

Those are the only people with resources or were they just the easiest to get?

And again, you can rob people without killing them too yet we can tell by Tommie and Joel’s reaction that they weren’t just taking their stuff to send them on their way.

But we’re different. We’re in the middle of a pandemic and I still can’t imagine saying “Ayy, we need to focus on robbing and killing the elderly, women, and innocents” simply to survive.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Mostly implied but he killed innocent civilians and when you start looking around the Raiders little facility, you start seeing the clothes and shoes of loads of people with the Raiders documenting everything they got. The game framed that entire segment as “Joel knows how this goes because he’s done these exact same things before”.

We know kids exist in the world, Joel was willing to leave Ellie to die in the beginning of the game, and is pretty morally repugnant. He barely even shows remorse for all the people he’s killed.

So you’re saying you’d prey on weaker civilians, women, and innocents if it came down to it?

Ellie was able to hunt and find food in the winter to survive for a prolonged period of time but Joel was forced to murder innocent civilians? We know wildlife is still around too.

Those are the only people with resources or were they just the easiest to get?

And again, you can rob people without killing them too yet we can tell by Tommie and Joel’s reaction that they weren’t just taking their stuff to send them on their way.

But we’re different. We’re in the middle of a pandemic and I still can’t imagine saying “Ayy, we need to focus on robbing and killing the elderly, women, and innocents” simply to survive.

Ellie was in the wilderness away from the majority of society and killed people to survive when it came down to it. In that world, it’s a kill or be killed mentality.

Everybody isn’t going to be as open and welcoming as Tommy is/was and you see where it got him and his beother. You saw it in the beginning of the first game when Joel told Tommy not to pick up their neighbor that was walking down the street.

You can rob people without killing them yes, but it doesn’t make you immune from them or people close to them coming back to kill you for revenge. Which was the premise of the 2nd game.

I’m not saying that Joel was right or wrong for the decisions that he made, but everyone has different methods and beliefs when it comes to survival.

 

[Brandeezy]

For people saying that Jackson doesn't take in strangers. There's a note that Seth left in a cabin during Abby's section where he writes that he was looking for Jackson with his two sons after his wife and son were murdered in Reno. They were stuck in a blizzard and eventually heard gunshots which led them to Jackson.

The Last of Us: American Dreams - Wikipedia



I know the story kinda gets confusing
but the truth is Marlene met Ellie for the 1st time when she was 14 years old at the boarding school with Riley her new friend/ future young lover
and only about a month later Marlene hires Joel and Tess to deliver her

so once again, Ellie hardly/barely even knows Marlene

didn't even know there was a prequel comic series

 

[kingofnyc]

I'm really starting to think @surf is right and you never played any of the games, the general theme of the entire series just went over your head....

Does any character in the game have the right to take anyone's life? No, but that didn't stop them from killing people constantly...Joel included. And they did what they thought was necessary to survive and that's killing a ton of fukking people. Abby's father literally said they can save millions of lives and all the bullshyt they went through is justified with one act. There is no decision to make here, its literally....

1. Save millions of lives, which literally benefits everyone still alive on earth. (I don't wanna hear anything about maybe they couldn't mass produce the vaccine or maybe it wouldn't work. That shyt is dumb, its a video game and the writers framed it in a way that made it seem Abby's father could do it somehow. So it is what it is....he could make the vaccine.)

2. Save Ellie, which only benefits Joel and she hates him for it.

Any normal person would sacrifice Ellie in this situation. Even Ellie would sacrifice Ellie

the poster you @ and his homie whom created this thread are big mad because they can’t answer a simple yes or a simple no question

and of course I played the first game TLOU and I also played the DLC left behind and I also watched a complete walk-through of this game TLOU2
so, I don’t understand how I can be question when several people *no diss* Including yourself stated that Marlene was the guardian or caretaker for Ellie which I then proves wasn’t true because they 1st met when this story started which Ellie was 14 years old

1. i’m not even gonna really go into the whole storyline of the writers believing that Abby‘s father was going to definitely make a vaccine when throughout the story they already said it was people before Ellie who were immune as well and they couldn’t make a vaccine off them
so that back-and-forth is a waste of time

2. She can hate Joel all she wants it really doesn’t matter the minute she turned 18 .... she could’ve clearly went back to that hospital and donated her brain for a vaccine

 

[klientel]

LMAO!!!! The Fireflies were written to be incompetent throughout the whole first game but now these nikkas could make a vaccine for a fukking fungus (which has never been done before) AND mass produce it when the Government already done pretty much wiped these nikkas out and are actively hunting them down? Marlene was even talking about how they lost people on the trip from Boston but these goofy ass nikkas who couldn't get from point A to point B without fukking up are gonna save the world? The writers can frame whatever they want it still has to make sense, if it doesn't that's what bad writing is. Talking bout some ole "could do it somehow" nikka stop

In a game with mutant fungus monsters running around....a group creating a vaccine is where you draw the line right? That's the part that doesn't make sense and is unbelievable right?

I gotcha

 

[kingofnyc]

I disagree. Nah breh I think a lot of people would have made the same selfish decision that Joel did. They’d be lying if they said that they didn’t.

The parental side of him kicked in at that moment eventhough she wasn’t biologically his daughter.

I’m not even sure it should be considered a selfish act

I can’t even fathom a grown ass man allowing a 14 year old child to make a life or death decision like this

its bananas, if anyone thinks otherwise

 

[Pure Water]

So why are you riding for Joel and why are you loyal to him? Outside of the fact that you’re playing him.

Because I met him before I met Abby and her gang.

shyts the same way in real life. Why do you ride for your friends? Because you met them first, you built relationships with them, and they got your back. Same applies for Joel playing as Ellie.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I’m not even sure it should be considered a selfish act

I can’t even fathom a grown ass man allowing a 14 year old child to make a life or death decision like this

its bananas, if anyone thinks otherwise

Even she alluded to becoming attached and caring for Joel when she mentioned how everyone else died or left her except him. So why would it be farfetched to believe that he grew to love her like a daughter as well and make the decision that he did?

Any parent/parental guardian would/should have made the exact same decision and they’d be lying if they said that they wouldn’t.