The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[klientel]

NO - the dr doesn’t have that right
NO - a 14 year doesn’t have that right

and I don’t believe it was ever established that Marlene was Ellie caretaker/guardian

But Joel does? Despite just meeting her?

And yes it was in the first game, either in a note found or Marlene mentioned it....but when Ellie's mom died she left her in the care of Marlene. I know you wanna believe Joel is her surrogate pops from the beginning but Marlene was her guardian up until Joel killed her.

 

[Brandeezy]

Marlene is Ellie's surrogate mother, remember Ellie's mom died during child birth and Marlene promised to look after her. Marlene put her in a boarding school after there was too much heat on the Fireflies.

 

[Pure Water]

Alright y'all. This entire Sunday I re-watched the game. The game is a 8. It's good.

There's some shyt I wouldn't have done with the game, but it's whatever.

Edit: NVM, this shyt like a 9/10.

 

[tinnyskillz]

Thats a great review....

not someone jumping on the bandwagon to shyt on the story because it seems like the cool thing to do.....

I never even thought about the visions/dream analysis like that. Abby is such a dope character and concept when you get past the blind hate.

That review (then the girlfriend review) was the best i've seen on YouTube. He actually played the game, and deeply delved into the story. He didn't go into it already with a hate boner for it like that fraud Angry Joe. Real quick, someone on YouTube said "This is Angry Joe, he has a million subscribers, he doesn't cloutchase, or need to hop on a bandwagon". My response is there are plenty of people. Waaaay more 1) richer, and 2) successful than him. They still will do anything for clout, clicks, attention etc.

YongYea did a review for the game. He wasn't feeling the game. But you can pretty much tell his opinions, are HIS opinions. It's an articulate, and honest review. VERY honest review. While he talked about gameplay only briefly (and didn't give it it's credit really), his review is a thousand times more credible than Angry Joe's imo. What YongYea says about the AI is true (another way i can tell he actually played the game all the way through). I'd give ND more credit though. Some AI is so smart imo. They seem human controlled.



This review is on point as well

 

[kingofnyc]

bcuz HE was TRULY in self defense mode...again joel entered the operating room guns drawn first...surgeon grabbed a scalpel and stood his ground...never advanced toward joel w/ the scalpel...again...joel could’ve kept the gun trained on him and went and easily gotten ellie

*edit*

you posted an even more damning example of how the scenario played out...as you can see joel EASILY took the scalpel out the surgeon’s hand...that should’ve been the end of the conflict right there...instead he stabbed him in his throat smh

we never gonna agree about this which is fine (everybody has a right to their own opinion)
but everybody doesn’t have a right to their own facts .... so, why do you keep saying things that aren't true
Joel did not walk in their gun blaze - he walked in to get Ellie & bounce.... but Abby‘s father the doctor stepped in front of him, grab the shank and put it to his face .... The game doesn’t give the person playing the game any options.... the only way you can continue the game is to eliminate the doctor

hence... why, the reason I keep saying Joel didn’t kill Abby‘s father : Abby father killed himself

 

[old pig]

why is this weirdo who didn’t play the game quoting me so early in the morning regarding a post from yesterday that wasn’t even addressing him???????

 

[kingofnyc]

why is this weirdo who didn’t play the game quoting me so early in the morning regarding a post from yesterday that wasn’t even addressing him???????

the weirdo quoted me 1st


fanboys still up in their feeling cause they can’t answer a simple question

nikkaz are pathetic

 

[kingofnyc]

But Joel does? Despite just meeting her?

And yes it was in the first game, either in a note found or Marlene mentioned it....but when Ellie's mom died she left her in the care of Marlene. I know you wanna believe Joel is her surrogate pops from the beginning but Marlene was her guardian up until Joel killed her.

as far as your 2 points
1. dismissing Joel and acting like he’s some random guy that just came into her life
2. Marlene being her guardian / caretaker

the scene below pretty much defeats both of your talking points
if you remember in the first game Joel decided to hand off Ellie to his brother Tommy who he hasn’t seen in many many years
once he gets to Tommy’s compound and tells Ellie, she gets upset & runs off .... both Tommy and Joel track her down in abandoned house...
(the vid/link below) again, the dialogue between them 2 in this cut scene defeats both of your talking points ... thereafter they kill off the intruders
Joel comes to the conclusion that he cares about Ellie as much as she does for him and tells his younger brother forget about it - he (Joel) will complete the mission, he just couldn’t give her away after that emotional discussion with Ellie

 

[klientel]

as far as your 2 points
1. dismissing Joel and acting like he’s some random guy that just came into her life
2. Marlene being her guardian / caretaker

the scene below pretty much defeats both of your talking points
if you remember in the first game Joel decided to hand off Ellie to his brother Tommy who he hasn’t seen in many many years
once he gets to Tommy’s compound and tells Ellie, she gets upset & runs off .... both Tommy and Joel track her down in abandoned house...
(the vid/link below) again, the dialogue between them 2 in this cut scene defeats both of your talking points ... thereafter they kill off the intruders
Joel comes to the conclusion that he cares about Ellie as much as she does for him and tells his younger brother forget about it - he (Joel) will complete the mission, he just couldn’t give her away after that emotional discussion with Ellie

Ok

agree to disagree....we are on two completely different pages with the way we see the events of the game. I think you are just so partial to Joel that you can’t see anything beyond his perspective and that’s cool

 

[TheGodling]

Man, some of ya'll need to remember that Joel ain't Ellie's fukking dad.

Yes, they spent close to a year together in the wild but that man is not her family nor legal guardian. Even if you said that Ellie is too young to decide for herself, who is? The guy who has only been in her life for a year? Marlene who actually has known Ellie longer?

Speaking of, in this fukking apocalyptic world where society has fallen apart, why shouldn't Ellie be able to decide for herself? Because she's 14? 14 and seen and survived more shyt than most of us ever will.

The case remains simple: Joel saved Ellie's life but robbed her of the choice to sacrifice her life. And he robbed her of that choice because he killed the doctor and he killed Marlene.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I’m not going to criticize Joel for his selfish decision as I think a lot of people would have done the same thing. They would be lying if they said that they wouldn’t.

With that said, it doesn’t/shouldn’t have made him immune from dealing with the ramifications of his actions. It was all going to come back on him no matter what. It was just the matter of when and by who which we saw the outcome.

 

[Draje]

Do people actually think Joel is a good guy or a hero?

Dude literally admitted to preying and killing innocent people to make due to the point where Tommie was having goddamn nightmares about the stuff they did to survive.

Joel’s entire story arc was one of selfishness. Yes, his reasoning is understandable and very human but Joel is NOT a good guy.

 

[tinnyskillz]

We should start up a Coli "TLOU2 Encouner" thread. Where we post our best gameplay videos of the best/most difficult encounters in the game. Then we make a poll off who had the most impressive, swagged out, gangster post.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Do people actually think Joel is a good guy or a hero?

Dude literally admitted to preying and killing innocent people to make due to the point where Tommie was having goddamn nightmares about the stuff they did to survive.

Joel’s entire story arc was one of selfishness. Yes, his reasoning is understandable and very human but Joel is NOT a good guy.

He’s not a good guy/hero, but he’s not necessarily a bad one either.

He’s a survivor and only lived as long as he did because he did what he had to do to survive. He told Tommy the exact same thing during the discussion about Ellie.

Adapt and survive. The moment that Joel slipped up was the moment that Abbie and her crew got him.

 

[Draje]

He’s not a good guy/hero, but he’s not necessarily a bad one either.

He’s a survivor and only lived as long as he did because he did what he had to do to survive. He told Tommy the exact same thing during the discussion about Ellie.

Adapt and survive. The moment that Joel slipped up was the moment that Abbie and her crew got him.

Eh, I’m hesitant to say Joel isn’t a “bad guy”. The contexts for good or not are really hard to apply in a post apocalyptic scenario like this but preying on innocents to kill them and take their stuff isn’t “good”.

There’s a reason Ellie was kinda disgusted when Joel admitted he knew it was a trap because he’d done stuff like this before to innocents.