The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[kdslittlebro]

like real talk I’m not even here to defend Joel
I pretty much could care less at this point

BUT what I just don’t understand why people as y’all don’t see the bigger picture, the fact of the matter which I posted this question from the very beginning and not one single person has been able to answer
Abby‘s father did not have the right to take Ellie life and as Joel stepped into the operating room Abby father should’ve just backed off let Joel take Ellie and kept it fukking move-ing
he grabbed a shank put it in Joel face and the rest is history

Joel did not kill Abby‘s father
Abby‘s father killed himself

The way I see it, Joel didn't have any more right to stop the surgery than Abby's dad did going ahead with it, following Marlene's permission. Abby's dad made what he thought was the right call and he ended up dying for it, just like Joel did. Neither one was right or wrong to me, or both are the same from different viewpoints.

 

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[duckbutta]

like real talk I’m not even here to defend Joel
I pretty much could care less at this point

BUT what I just don’t understand why people as y’all don’t see the bigger picture, the fact of the matter which I posted this question from the very beginning and not one single person has been able to answer
Abby‘s father did not have the right to take Ellie life and as Joel stepped into the operating room Abby father should’ve just backed off let Joel take Ellie and kept it fukking move-ing
he grabbed a shank put it in Joel face and the rest is history

Joel did not kill Abby‘s father
Abby‘s father killed himself

Joel job was to get Ellie to the fireflies so that they could find a cure and that was it. Breh been out here living in a fukked up world but it never occurred to him she might have to die for the cure to be made ?

Remember when Tess sacrificed herself so that Joel could get Ellie to the fireflies ?

Remember how Joel cashed in his favor from Bill to get that Jeep so Ellie could get to the fireflies ?

Remember how Henry shot his own brother and then himself after his brother attacked Ellie ?

All these people sacrificing themselves for this girl cause she is supposed to be the cure, and then what does Joel do ? Claps up the only person who could perform the operation, cause he still hung up on his own daughter that he couldn't save from getting clapped by that soldier when this all started. Now everybody got to pay the price for him being to weak to protect his own daughter.

Typical selfish old white cac. I couldn't properly take a bullet for my daughter and my brother had to step in and save the day so I am going to save this girl who could be the cure to a deadly disease to show that I can be strong like Tommy was and if it means there is no cure then fukk it I don't care.
Now the fireflies don't have the most valuable thing outside of a cure in the last of us world, a doctor and a surgeon, cause Joel caught feelings for some little girl he knew for several months. shyt got a tinge of to it to.

Then he wasn't even man enough to tell Ellie what really happened. What type of shyt is that ? Joel the typical old white cac doing foul shyt and trying to re-write history. "Oh yeah they stopped trying to make a cure lets turn around and go home"

If it wasn't for this old selfish ass cac there might be a cure and then the shyt could be called " a few of us" .

 

[klientel]

Goddamn just finished the game and expected to be able to freely discuss shyt in the spoiler thread...

I hop in the thread and y’all are in here arguing and fighting over a video game.

 

[Jmare007]

Found this which I feel perfectly explains the issue with Joel being killed off the way he was...

Again, the issue isn't that they killed him off, its HOW they killed him off...

Poorly written and poorly executed...

To me this makes no sense.

It's one thing if someone didn't like what happened and has a valid reason for it (I think what's in the images is reasonable) but going from that to "this is disrespectful" is retarded and shows the response is emotional and not rational. Which sure, of course it can be that, and if someone doesn't like it, fine, don't like it. shyt, feel disrespected, but don't pretend like that's a fact when it's just an emotional response

To me, the only mistake Joel made during that whole thing was saying his name. He's not happy he got to the house, he doesn't accept Nora's request to take the saddles because he wants to leave as soon as the storm passes. He sounds suspicious when Manny says they've been there "since yesterday" and asks what they (WLF) are doing there. It's Tommy that's all happy go lucky, tells them they should go to their place (Jackson) and introduces himself...then Joel fukks up and says his name.

He makes 1 mistake. How the hell is that disrespectful or unreasonable or "makes no sense"? anyone can slip up once, specially when it's such a minor thing, how is that unrealistic?

And during that whole time he doesn't even see Abby as she disappears from the scene and only shows up again to shoot him with the shotgun.


How can you watch this


and think Joel was so out of character. Specially when you take into account he got lucky as shyt and survived that horde of infected


Again, not liking it is one thing but acting like it's some sacrilegious shyt is nonsense.

 

[Animal House]

Goddamn just finished the game and expected to be able to freely discuss shyt in the spoiler thread...

I hop in the thread and y’all are in here arguing and fighting over a video game.

Maybe I play and beat way to many games but a few things I can never fully grasp about the gaming community.

1. Console Wars

2. People’s attachment to fictional characters

I was high as fukk watching grown ass men breakdown in anger and disgust when Joel died

They were talking about this connection they had with the character for the past 7 years, I’m like

ND basically set it up at the end of the first game Joel was about to be in some shyt real soon when he went Rambo in that hospital


the game is dope I might play it again with some modded options

 

[Kairi Irving]

Maybe I play and beat way to many games but a few things I can never fully grasp about the gaming community.

1. Console Wars

2. People’s attachment to fictional characters

I was high as fukk watching grown ass men breakdown in anger and disgust when Joel died

They were talking about this connection they had with the character for the past 7 years, I’m like

ND basically set it up at the end of the first game Joel was about to be in some shyt real soon when he went Rambo in that hospital


the game is dope I might play it again with some modded options

Attachment to video game series as well.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

To me this makes no sense.

It's one thing if someone didn't like what happened and has a valid reason for it (I think what's in the images is reasonable) but going from that to "this is disrespectful" is retarded and shows the response is emotional and not rational. Which sure, of course it can be that, and if someone doesn't like it, fine, don't like it. shyt, feel disrespected, but don't pretend like that's a fact when it's just an emotional response

To me, the only mistake Joel made during that whole thing was saying his name. He's not happy he got to the house, he doesn't accept Nora's request to take the saddles because he wants to leave as soon as the storm passes. He sounds suspicious when Manny says they've been there "since yesterday" and asks what they (WLF) are doing there. It's Tommy that's all happy go lucky, tells them they should go to their place (Jackson) and introduces himself...then Joel fukks up and says his name.

He makes 1 mistake. How the hell is that disrespectful or unreasonable or "makes no sense"? anyone can slip up once, specially when it's such a minor thing, how is that unrealistic?

And during that whole time he doesn't even see Abby as she disappears from the scene and only shows up again to shoot him with the shotgun.


How can you watch this


and think Joel was so out of character. Specially when you take into account he got lucky as shyt and survived that horde of infected


Again, not liking it is one thing but acting like it's some sacrilegious shyt is nonsense.

What is nonsense is your juelzin...

The complaints in the post you quoted are 100% rational, only emotional response here is yours because somebody doesn't agree with you...

Joel didn't make a mistake, he was out of character, that is a fact, the fukking game producer said so himself trying to explain it off as he changed after 4 years off camera...
The dialogue of the scene was also downright stupid...How the fukk was Joel supposed to guess who Abby is? How many people has he killed? How is he supposed to know that one doctor that put a scalpel to his neck was her father?

That's garbage, its ok that you disagree but drop the juelzin and acting like the complaints ain't rational, especially when you completely failed to rationally address any of the points made...

 

[klientel]

They will clearly have a part 3, this is the hottest franchise in gaming right now. They are printing money.

The real question is Abby gonna find some roids and get swole again for the next one as it’s obvious Ellie is done.

 

[kingofnyc]

Its not like he was going to just murder Ellie just to kill someone, he took out the only chance for the cure for selfish reasons of him not wanting to lose another daughter figure again.

This was the end of the last game so Joel had hella weapons, its not like he could've shot the guys leg off with a pump, he killed him in a murderous rage.

The whole point of the game is that you just can't be killing people, especially when they know who you are as one of those unknowns might have someone who will want to do something about that.

Joel thought he was just killing soldiers and lost his life, Abby thought she just killed Joel and got her friends killed. Elie just wanted to kill Abby and got Jesse killed, lost Dina, her relationship with Tommy, and seemingly everything she loves. Everything has consequences, especially actions from rage.

decent post in all
but you still have to remember the fact is there was supposedly stated throughout the story that it was people just like Ellie ..... immune to the virus, whom way before her was used as guinea pigs which unfortunately didn’t result into a cure
so there was never 100% guarantee that Ellie brain tissue was going to work at the end of the day

 

[klientel]

Maybe I play and beat way to many games but a few things I can never fully grasp about the gaming community.

1. Console Wars

2. People’s attachment to fictional characters

I was high as fukk watching grown ass men breakdown in anger and disgust when Joel died

They were talking about this connection they had with the character for the past 7 years, I’m like

ND basically set it up at the end of the first game Joel was about to be in some shyt real soon when he went Rambo in that hospital


the game is dope I might play it again with some modded options

I agree breh

I mean I get invested in the story and I like to discuss it, but I’m damn sure not gonna fight anyone over it. It’s just a video game, it ain’t that serious.

 

[Jmare007]

What is nonsense is your juelzin...

The complaints in the post you quoted are 100% rational, only emotional response here is yours because somebody doesn't agree with you...

Joel didn't make a mistake, he was out of character, that is a fact, the fukking game producer said so himself trying to explain it off as he changed after 20 years off camera....

Yes, I said the complaints were reasonable but I guess you are too upset to read that part what I don't find any rationale is saying shyt was "disrespectful".

He did 1 think out of character, that to me passes as a mistake. It's one fukking thing Troy Baker said it best, when he gets shot and is about to get mauled to death, he's gotta be thinking "the one fukking time I leave my guard down...". Dude even apologized if that wasn't clear on his performance

The dialogue of the scene was also downright stupid...How the fukk was Joel supposed to guess who Abby is? How many people has he killed? How is he supposed to know that one doctor that put a scalpel to his neck was her father?

This has nothing to do with what I'm arguing. And yeah, Abby is completely self centered by saying that shyt like Joel was supposed to know. Just like Ellie was self centered when she starts talking about the Fireflies and Joel to Abby when they meet at the theater and Abby has gone to a hellacious journey were "Joel and the Fireflies" was the last thing going on her mind.

That's garbage, its ok that you disagree but drop the juelzin and acting like the complaints ain't rational, especially when you completely failed to rationally address any of the points made...

You acting like I said every complaint was emotional. I was addressing 1 thing ("this is disrespectful"). But sure, I'm the emotional one.

 

[kingofnyc]

The way I see it, Joel didn't have any more right to stop the surgery than Abby's dad did going ahead with it, following Marlene's permission. Abby's dad made what he thought was the right call and he ended up dying for it, just like Joel did. Neither one was right or wrong to me, or both are the same from different viewpoints.

I don’t recall ever Marlene being Ellie caretaker or guardian so she doesn’t even have the right to give Abby father or whomever permission for that type of surgery

 

[kdslittlebro]

I don’t recall ever Marlene being Ellie caretaker or guardian so she doesn’t even have the right to give Abby father or whomever permission for that type of surgery

 

[Genos]

decent post in all
but you still have to remember the fact is there was supposedly stated throughout the story that it was people just like Ellie ..... immune to the virus, whom way before her was used as guinea pigs which unfortunately didn’t result into a cure
so there was never 100% guarantee that Ellie brain tissue was going to work at the end of the day

I'm not saying its correct in the overall but as far as the characters know, there was a chance for a cure. Elie seemed to be a great specimen for finding a cure. From Joel, Elie, Tommy, Abby, and other fireflies perspective Joel went crazy because he didn't want to sacrifice her for the cure. And instead of just killing the soldiers or fukking up the doctors he murdered them. He not only threw away the chance for this cure but for future cures too.