'The Last of Us' HBO Series (NO GAME SPOILERS!) | Season 2 Coming 2025 (7 Episodes) | Season 2 Official Teaser Released

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If there's one complaint I have so far, is that in-game, Joel and Ellie did a lot of character and relationship building through their various encounters with the infected and such, and the show hasn't really found an effective way to replicate that effect..... but I guess that's to be expected considering the differences between the mediums and what not.
It's to be expected when they dedicate one episode to two characters who mean nothing to the overall story instead of Joel and Ellie.
 

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It's to be expected when they dedicate one episode to two characters who mean nothing to the overall story instead of Joel and Ellie.
The whole Joel/Ellie bonding thing will probably be heavy after the University/Winter episodes. They still got alot of time to develop that. They made people care about Bill with only a single episode. It wont take much to give Joel and Ellie's relationship the same treatment.
You gotta remember, Joel still doesn't really fukk with her like that at this point in the game. He even tries to dump her on Tommy later, so their relationship is portrayed just fine so far.
 

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I get it... We supposed to be against this shyt... Who cares though? Really? I'm a straight man who been smashing women all my life. I can watch a 90 tv show and be ok. Is it really that bad that people gotta turn off the whole ep and cancel the series over some gay shyt?

Episode didn't bother me.

Now, do I want to see two dudes furiously tonguing each other down, nah I'm good :pachaha:

But if its an episode like this, I don't mind it. He's gay in the game so what are people mad at? Straight men don't have sticky gay porn magazines at their house :pachaha:
 
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Imagine if they made a GTA TV adaption...folks would be crying there isn't a 1:1 remake of a 40 min shootout in a warehouse where police never show up until the very end and one man survives dozens of shooters armed with smgs & assault rifles:mjlol:

I wouldn't mind GTA V (include both CJ and Franklin) as a series :ohhh:
 

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No

There's a whole thing in making screenplay and movies that its better to show a thing rather than have a character "say" it .

By showing it you allow the viewer to be more engaged and make connections about the story so your narrative flows better

Bill being gay and living a full life wasn't supposed to be the point made to Joel - Bills stubbornness and selfishness unwillingness to recognize anyone else's needs other than his own is what is supposed to change Joel and push him closer to opening up to Ellie because that's how Joel has lived his life since his daughter died.

And this is a double edged thing since Joels willingness to be selfish or recognize needs other than his comes right back at him later ...

TLOU isn't just about this world collapsing and the fungus taking over - its ultimately about the choices ppl make when it comes to love..and loss.
Yup. This article kinda sums up with feelings with this episode


Some might find the pivot in tone and narrative to be refreshing, and the series has already been praised by critics for delivering a gay love story, but the tonal shift from bitter loss to loving oasis feels disingenuous. Part of the issue is that removing Bill from Ellie and Joel’s path entirely is a miscalculation, making him worthless as a character and just as expendable as any of the nameless figures who have had no purpose other than expository dialogue, under the guise of expanding the show and game’s limited narrative worldview (a focus that I’d argue is the games’s greatest strength). But even more damning is that Mazin and Druckmann seem determined to revise an existing narrative to provide what they consider “positive representation” in order to avoid the very concerns about queer characters that once plagued The Last of Us games.

What makes the TV series’s pivot to straightforward romance so strange is that it feels fundamentally opposed to the world Druckmann has created with his games.

The full article contains some light spoilers regarding relationships in the 2nd game but it's worth a read and covers a lot of people's gripes with this episode.
 
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