MooseMouthMthafuga
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Why do you structure your posts like this?
Woah woah woah woahWhen Michael retired the Bulls won 55 games and he was a top MVP and DPoY candidate and All-Star game MVP.
Jordan was the G.O.A.T. scorer and was an alpha and the center of the offense. Pippen's responsibility was on defense and as a playmaker while being a secondary scorer. A guy like Kyrie his role was to be a scorer. It's also not true and not very common with LeBron. There were some games where Kyrie and D-Wade scored as much but to say it was common? Nah. LeBron+Kyrie/Wade would have games they avalanched teams together like Jordan/Pippen but to say they took over or carried LBJ that's BS. The only year you can point to is 2011. In game 3 of the 1993 ECF down 2-0, Michael shot 3 of 18 but Pippen scored a super efficient 29 and the Bulls beat the Knicks by 20. In game 6 of the 1992 Finals, Pippen led a 15 point comeback with MJ on the bench. I can't recall any of LeBron's teammates doing that, in fact it was LeBron who led a 26 point comeback against Indiana in '17 with Love and Kyrie on the bench. LeBron who swept Atlanta and took the Warriors to 6 games without Kyrie or Love. D-Wade while fighting knee drains was often carried by LeBron. Bosh was scoring 0 points in game 7's of the Finals. Love had a concussion and was a shell of himself in '16 and was pretty much carried.
Pippen was an athletic point forward with a late growth spurt and high work ethic. I don't know why y'all acting like dude couldn't have been a great player without Jordan, it's like y'all think MJ made him when dude off his own raw natural talent was a top 5 pick and he came out an NAIA school.
The 2011 Finals is an anomaly I already pointed that out and said that's the only year you can name. It was the last year of Wade's prime and the offensive hiearchy and team chemistry hadn't been established yet. D-Wade also sucked against Chicago in the 2011 ECF averaged 18 points on 40% FG and 5 turnovers a game but I bet you didn't know that. 2011 is the only year you can point to and I already said that.Woah woah woah woah
Dwade averaged 27 while Bron scores only 8 points in a finals game.
when did Scottie averaged 27 while Mike choked??
kyrie averaged 27, outperformed the Unanimous MVP and hit the series deciding shot. While did Scottie, Steve Kerr, Paxson it anyone ever do that in a series playing with my Michael?
Anthony Davis is averaging 26/9/3/2/1.5. The fukk Scottie or any forward/center gave MJ those numbers??
this is low key why people dislike Bron stans. Scottie has never in his life gave Michael even a Kyrie 2017 or a Wade 2011 or even a AD this season. Yes they won 55 games. And????? They lost in the playoffs and Scottie attempted to quit while low key wanting MJ back. So what’s your point. There is a large percentage of people making Scottie out to be more than what he was to downplay Michael
“Anomaly” nikka pleaseThe 2011 Finals is an anomaly I already pointed that out and said that's the only year you can name. D-Wade also sucked against Chicago in the 2011 ECF averaged 18 points on 40% FG and 5 turnovers a game but I bet you didn't know that.
What happened with Wade and Bosh in 2012, 2013, 2014? Name all the times that Wade and/or Bosh outscored LeBron then
LeBron and AD haven't competed in the playoffs yet.
Yeah, Kyrie averaged 27 that's what he does score. That's his role on the team to get buckets and he did that at a high level in that series. Scottie's role on the team was to be a secondary scorer, primary playmaker, and primary defender. Maybe he didn't average 27 points per game but he did average 21/9/7 through the first 3-Peat and was the primary defender on the likes of Magic Johnson in the Finals.
I mean you don't really think Kyrie Irving is a better basketball than Scottie Pippen right?![]()
Yes its a myth, at no point when MJ and Pip were on the same team were people saying the Bulls had the 2 best players in the league. Only folks saying that shyt are people who are either being exposed to that era of the NBA via The Last Dance, and/or Bron stans.So people saying bulls had the best 2 players in the league, back in the day, was myth ?
LeBron choked in 2011 nikka that has long been established. It happened it doesn't define his entire career though.“Anomaly” nikka please
Again, Wade averaged 26/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 54% while Lebron choked a whole ring away.
please, I beg you, find me a series where Michael chokes a ring away while Scottie carries him with numbers like Dwade???
don’t move the goalpost either, cause the narrative is Lebron plays better competition but people forget, hes played with more skilled teammates.
kyrie, a 6’2 point guard. Averaged 27/4/4/2/ on 46/40/90 aganist the unanimous MVP. Gave a 40 piece in a crucial Game 5, and did this
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Now Kerr and Paxson are around this nikka size right?? Please I beg of you, find me when those 2 or Scottie ever have a 2016 or 2017 Kyrie irving???? Don’t move the goalpost cause I don’t fall for that shyt. “That’s his role, to score” yea and Scottie played his role too, your point?
AD is again, averaging 26/9/3/2/1.5, for most of the season before the shut down. when the fukk did Scottie do this for a season? Don’t give me that “played role” shyt either cause MJ averaged 11.9 assist in the 91 finals.
point blank don’t sit here and uplift Scottie to downplay Michael. Give Michael a fukking Dwade/Kyrie or AD and he’s have 8 Rings fukk outta here. 2 out of the 3 are better than Scottie and Kyrie helped give Lebron a more important finals win Than Scottie ever did for Michael PERIOD no city girls
Who said it defined his career? I simply said Lebron had 2(and probably soon to be 3) sidekicks that gave him 25+ in a finals series and Kyrie gave a 40 piece. Scottie never once gave Michael 25 a whole finals series. Matter a fact. In the 1993 finals, Scottie averaged 9 rebounds 7 assists, 2 steals. MJ? 8 rebounds 6 assist, 1.7 steals. In 1991? Scottie gave 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.4 steals. MJ? 6 rebounds, 11 assists and 2.8 steals. So all that “all around shyt” shyt that y’all use aganist MJ, his all around numbers were NOT that far behind. So wtf are you talking about?LeBron choked in 2011 nikka that has long been established. It happened it doesn't define his entire career though.
What happened in 2012 and 2013, the year the Heat actually won the championship though.
Why are you comparing Kerr and Paxson to Kyrie Irving?
Go look up Scottie numbers in the '91, '92, '93 Finals, he was giving you 21/9/7 while playing elite defense. U nikkas are enamored with volume scoring. Scottie Pppen was not a volume scorer and he wasn't needed to be. He did everything else on the court alongside Michael.
D-Wade (2012-14) and Kyrie aren't better than Scottie Pippen
How would Michael win 8 rings? U make no sense. Simpleton ass shyt. What is Michael doing in 2014 against the Spurs when Wade's knees are done and the Spurs are hitting every three? He's averaging 60 and carrying the Heat?![]()
Like I said Scottie never gave him 25 but he gave him 21/9/7 and elite defense in 4 out of 6 Finals appearances it ain't all about volume scoring. He ain't never need Scottie to be that because they were dominating the league playing within that offense and MJ is the G.O.A.T. scorer. In today's game which is not like the 90's, he may find himself needing more help top down from his supporting cast though.Who said it defined his career? I simply said Lebron had 2(and probably soon to be 3) sidekicks that gave him 25+ in a finals series and Kyrie gave a 40 piece. Scottie never once gave Michael 25 a whole finals series. Matter a fact. In the 1993 finals, Scottie averaged 9 rebounds 7 assists, 2 steals. MJ? 8 rebounds 6 assist, 1.7 steals. In 1991? Scottie gave 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.4 steals. MJ? 6 rebounds, 11 assists and 2.8 steals. So all that “all around shyt” shyt that y’all use aganist MJ, his all around numbers were NOT that far behind. So wtf are you talking about?
AD, again, 26/9/3/2/1.5 and possibly DPOY. When did Scottie give MJ these numbers in any season? Forget a 6 or 7 games. For 50+ games, when did Scottie give MJ those numbers?? Not never, so nikka please
Bron has better #2s period. And he’s playing in a vastly superior era where his teammates are more athletic, faster than MJ teammates
what happened in 2012?
Wade in 2012 with bad knees : 22/6/5/1.4/1.2
Scottie in probably his best finals series. 21/9/7/2.4/1.4
Scottie played with this nikka for 6 finals series. Never once had a 2011,2016 or even a 2017 series. His numbers aganist 2012 Wade aren’t even that much higher and wade stayed injured during that timeonly aganist a 2013 Wade was his numbers vastly superior
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Like I said Scottie never gave him 25 but he gave him 21/9/7 and elite defense in 4 out of 6 Finals appearances it ain't all about volume scoring. He ain't never need Scottie to be that because they were dominating the league playing within that offense and MJ is the G.O.A.T. scorer. In today's game which is not like the 90's, he may find himself needing more help top down from his supporting cast though.
Like I said for a second option, Pippen is perfect for MJ. For LeBron, a guy like Kyrie is perfect. Different skillsets.
I never said MJ wasn't scoring, assisting, rebounding, and defending too. He just had a guy next to him that did all those things too.
Like them stats you posted show in 2012, Pippen was a lil better than Wade was especially when you factor in the defense and efficiency and he was definitely better than Wade in 2013 and 2014.
AD>Pippen for sure. MJ>LeBron too. But it's wrong to act like LeBron was often outscored or often carried, that's cap and I can point to examples where it was actually the opposite I already did in my first post on the topic. The downplaying of Pippen is corny, I think he's overrated by some, but for a second option he's perfect especially next to a scoring machine like Michael and within the Triangle offense and Doberman defense.
Kyrie is the best sidekick LeBron ever had and the most complimentary sidekick he had.And Wade gave Bron 26/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 54%
22/6/5/1.4/1.5 with his knees half way gone. Even in that 2013 finals he gave 19/3/3
kyrie gave Lebron 27/4/4/2, a 40 point game facing elimination and a clutch basket to help bring the Cavs back from 3-1
AD for a season is giving 26/9/3/2/1.5 and possibly DPOY.
MJ never got that from Scottie or any of his teammates matter a fact, you the main nikka that sit on this forum and swear up and down that today’s players are more advanced than 90s player. I guess you forgot that means Lebrons teammates are more Advanced than MJs teammatesfind me one nikka on them bulls squads that could even average Kyrie numbers?
and Kyrie the weakest out of Lebrons sidekicks
and he’s a PG. what PG was as good as Kyrie that played on them bulls? What PF was as good as AD? Scottie barely put up numbers in 6 finals that Wade did in 2012 with about one ligament left in his damn body and we still didn’t get a answer to which Bulls player gave MJ a 2011 Wade performance?
bottom line, I never said a Lebron was carried outside of 2011. I said Lebron has better #2, PERIIIIIOD.
I never said that Lebron was carried by others outside of 2011, I, not whoever else you was arguing with, I didn’t.Kyrie is the best sidekick LeBron ever had and the most complimentary sidekick he had.
Overall you just chatting now and throwing out numbers. 21/9/7+elite defense in 4 out of 6 Finals, that's great from a number two option it's right on par and better than what Wade gave LeBron every year outside 2011. Kyrie scored better I conceded that, that's facts but Pippen had impact in other areas.
The person I quoted said LeBron was often outscored or outplayed by his sidekicks that's cap period that's the point I was making if you think LeBron had better number twos cool. Outside of 2011 and maybe a couple games LeBron led all his series and 90% of his games in scoring. A guy like Bird was outscored by Maxwell and McHale in several series that's not LeBron.