Religion/Spirituality The Intelligent Design/God/Theism Thread

[gho3st]

No Attorney @NoMayo15 , we don't know if it's impossible, because theoretically, everything's possible, so instead of focusing on what's 99.9e9% probable, we should focus on what's 0.0e1% probable I mean, why stop there, why not calculate the possibilities of me physically levitating into outer space? or why not investigate the possibilities of me creating a stable bridge from NYC to Johannesburg by hand?





It doesn't have to be mankind, you can use amoeba for all I care, show me one, just one incident of proof of common decent with the 8 milly plus documented species we have on the planet. Show me one plant that turned into an insect, show me a lizard that turned into a bird, show me something nikka, I mean, 8 million species, even if only witness ONE incident of evolution through common descent per year, that's .000000125%. Over 150 years, that would be .0000000000833e3%. So what you're saying in 150 year time frame, the evolutionary theory wasn't right ONCE?!!! I mean, if I played roulette for a month, I'd win at least one spin, evolutionary theory couldn't win once in a 150 years?




Yes the burden of proof is not on the evolutionist to prove evolution




We can start with that assumption, but just the simple calculation of the odds of the cosmic rate of expansion being fixed for the ENTIRE universe would dead that argument in whatever time it took your calculator to plug in the numbers

i think you are ing..you are asking nikkas to account for 2 billion years to provide you with a missing link.

 

[blackzeus]

Show us one place where evolutionary theory said "in 150 years a plant will turn into an insect". Otherwise, you simply have an incorrect bordering on child-like understanding of what evolution really is.

As an aside, any of y'all ever talk to an evolutionist in real life? Here's how the conversation usually goes:

IDer: Hi, I had some questions about evolution...


Evolutionist: You dare question science? What, you believe in unicorns? You f*ckin' retard, you're too stupid to even begin to understand the finer details, matter of fact, I ain't answerin' sh*t

And they claim to be scientists. Your average evolutionist and your average pastor/priest are birds of the same feather

Church of Evolution:
Teacher: We all come from this bacteria you see here in this here agar plate. Many millions of years ago.

Student: Really? I can't remember bacteria ever changing into something else?

Teacher: I just said millions of years, but it's ok, you have a child like understanding, I know.

Church of Religion:
Pastor: The heavens and the earth were made in one day

Believer: Pastor, so the earth was made in one day? all 200 million square miles of it? In 24 hours?

Pastor: You question God because your understanding is child-like, it's ok

Later on that day, the pastor and the teacher cross each other's path on the road with the same look: "dumbazz"

 

[Mission249]

@blackzeus You're just not reading my posts now, right? Nothing I said disagrees with what you quoted. I was just making a semantic difference between evolution, the process (i.e. change in heritable traits over successive generations), and a particular result of evolution (e.g. man and monkey having a common ancestor). I did this so that I could show you that even if you don't believe in a particular result, the process is self-evident in something as mundane as dog breeding. Come on man, you're smarter than this. But let's just drop this particular tangent since you're being purposely obtuse to word definitions.


Lets get back on target: You believe that evolution says that a plant can evolve into an insect in 150 years. Show us where it is defined as so. Should be simple, right?

 

[blackzeus]

i think you are ing..you are asking nikkas to account for 2 billion years to provide you with a missing link.

I'm asking for a scientist to calculate the odds of his theory never being right in 150 years with over 8.7 million chances per year actually being factually correct

 

[blackzeus]

@blackzeus You're just not reading my posts now, right? Nothing I said disagrees with what you quoted. I was just making a semantic difference between the evolution, the process (i.e. change in heritable traits over successive generations), and a particular result of evolution (e.g. man and monkey having a common ancestor). I did this so that I could show you that even if you don't believe in a particular result, the process is self-evident in something as mundane as dog breeding. Come on man, you're smarter than this. But let's just drop this particular tangent since you're being purposely obtuse to word definitions.


Lets get back on target: You believe that evolution says that a plant can evolve into an insect in 150 years. Show us where it is defined as so. Should be simple, right?

Berkeley and Princeton, two of our nation's leading academic institutions, define evolution as ancestry through common descent, and I'm the one being obtuse? Nah breh, YOU'RE better than this.

I'm never gonna breed two dogs and get a cat breh, no matter how hard I try, that's the point. Let's not try to obscure what evolution is breh, i'm tryin' to see the ass and titties of Miss Evo in all her glory

Spoiler

Damn breh, she's got booty shots I thought the azz was real

 

[blackzeus]

@blackzeus
Lets get back on target: You believe that evolution says that a plant can evolve into an insect in 150 years. Show us where it is defined as so. Should be simple, right?

1) It's not my obligation to prove evolution is true breh, I'm an ID'er, remember?

2) That was an exaggerated example. We don't even need to take it that far breh, nikka show me one instance of mycoplasma evolving into any other bacteria

 

[noon]

Church of Evolution:
Teacher: We all come from this bacteria you see here in this here agar plate. Many millions of years ago.

Student: Really? I can't remember bacteria ever changing into something else?

Teacher: I just said millions of years, but it's ok, you have a child like understanding, I know.

Church of Religion:
Pastor: The heavens and the earth were made in one day

Believer: Pastor, so the earth was made in one day? all 200 million square miles of it? In 24 hours?

Pastor: You question God because your understanding is child-like, it's ok

Later on that day, the pastor and the teacher cross each other's path on the road with the same look: "dumbazz"

This never happens but ok.

 

[tmonster]

I really hate doing your homework for you: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/

I have come to realize that blackzeus is dead serious but also completely ignorant of well established facts about the science he is trying to refute, which is a really hard hill to climb.

 

[tmonster]

Church of Evolution:
Teacher: We all come from this bacteria you see here in this here agar plate. Many millions of years ago.

Student: Really? I can't remember bacteria ever changing into something else?

Teacher: I just said millions of years, but it's ok, you have a child like understanding, I know.

Church of Religion:
Pastor: The heavens and the earth were made in one day

Believer: Pastor, so the earth was made in one day? all 200 million square miles of it? In 24 hours?

Pastor: You question God because your understanding is child-like, it's ok

Later on that day, the pastor and the teacher cross each other's path on the road with the same look: "dumbazz"

this is cute

 

[tmonster]

1) It's not my obligation to prove evolution is true breh, I'm an ID'er, remember?

no one asked you that

2) That was an exaggerated example.

but you chose to exaggerate, it's your example

We don't even need to take it that far breh, nikka show me one instance of mycoplasma evolving into any other bacteria

you are the one who took it that far

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I have come to realize that blackzeus is dead serious but also completely ignorant of well established facts about the science he is trying to refute, which is a really hard hill to climb.

Yeah. Dude got the completely wrong education.

 

[blackzeus]

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41619/title/Evolution-in-Oil-Droplets/

Evolution in Oil Droplets
For the first time, researchers have mimicked biological evolution using chemicals instead of living organisms.

By Bob Grant | December 9, 2014

Examples of different oil droplet behavior observed in the experimentImage from Nature CommunicationsIt’s not exactly survival of the fittest, but researchers in Scotland have shown that oil droplets can exhibit a rudimentary form of evolution. The nonbiological system comprised more than 200 different droplet types composed of four chemicals that exhibited predictable behaviors when dropped into petri dishes full of water. The scientists analyzed the droplets’ fitness based on those behaviors, and found that they could direct the evolution of more stable droplets.
Glasgow University chemist Lee Cronin, who led the work, told WIRED.co.uk that the experiment is an important demonstration of the principles that may have spurred nonliving components to give rise to living things. “Right now, evolution only applies to complex cells with many terabytes of information but the open question is where did the information come from?” he said. “We have shown that it is possible to evolve very simple chemistries with little information.” (See “RNA World 2.0,” The Scientist, March 2014.) Cronin and his colleagues published the work yesterday (December 8) in Nature Communications.

The researchers used a robot based on a simple 3-D printing platform that created oil droplets at random from combinations of four different chemicals—1-octanol, diethyl phthalate, 1-pentanol, and either octanoic acid or dodecane. Cronin and his team analyzed the behavior of 225 different droplet types, each of which behaved slightly differently in water. Using the stability of the droplets as a proxy for fitness, the researchers selected the most-fit drops and used their chemical recipes to make subsequent generations of drops. After 21 rounds of selection, the scientists showed that the droplets had “evolved” to become more stable.“This initial phase of research has shown that the system we’ve designed is capable of facilitating an evolutionary process, so we could in the future create models to perform specific tasks, such as splitting, then seeking out other droplets and fusing with them,” Cronin said in a statement. “We’re also keen to explore in future experiments how the emergence of unexpected features, functions and behaviors might be selected for.”

Evolutionists are so hard up for proof they're experimenting with cooking oil brehs, this is in whom we are placing our faith?

 

[blackzeus]

I have come to realize that blackzeus is dead serious but also completely ignorant of well established facts about the science he is trying to refute, which is a really hard hill to climb.

Call an improbable theory a well established fact brehs

 

[Mission249]

Berkeley and Princeton, two of our nation's leading academic institutions, define evolution as ancestry through common descent, and I'm the one being obtuse

I agree with Berkeley and Princeton and didn't say anything in opposition to your links. You're just misunderstanding what I'm saying and what they said. I simply differentiated between the process and the results, and thought you were smart enough to understand that nuance. But, like I said, I'll let that point go. I was just using it as a thought exercise to help explain things to you, and now you're using it as a crutch instead of addressing my other, more salient points. Which you keep ignoring, because you think you see blood in the water on this one issue, but it's actually just your b.s.

So, like I said, address these points

1) What do you think of this evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus and http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
2) You believe that evolution says that a plant can evolve into an insect in 150 years. Show us where it is defined as so
3) Honest question man, are you still in high school?

 

[blackzeus]

you are the one who took it that far

It was a joke to show the absurdity of the whole premise. Again, I ask you, I am making it very basic, show me one incident of mycoplasma evolving something else breh.