Religion/Spirituality The Intelligent Design/God/Theism Thread

[blackzeus]

You dumbfukk...this is your ENTIRE argument. You defended these fukking "improbabilities" then now you can't do the math???




1. fossilization takes a long time
2. neanderthals died off not too long ago
we've only been aware of evolution for 150 years. Thats nothing in comparison to getting down to actually observing it in real and tangible ways.

asking why its not happening fast enough is a stupid question.

This is why we're done you dumb fukking clown.

1. E. Coli is a bacteria

2. Meningitis is a disease state in which the brains Meninges (layers of tissues surrounding the brain) are infected by VIRUSES, other bacteria, or drugs

This is like asking why we haven't witnessed dogs turn into emphysema.

you are fukking stupid as fukk for this shyt and this just confirms it.



you seriously just asked why an animal doesn't turn into a disease.





Log the fukk off. ​

Where do you think we get insulin from to meet the demand of diabetics?

Pigs.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/meningitis/basics/definition/con-20019713

Most cases of meningitis in the U.S. are caused by a viral infection, but bacterial and fungal infections also can lead to meningitis. Depending on the cause of the infection, meningitis can get better on its own in a couple of weeks — or it can be a life-threatening emergency requiring urgent antibiotic treatment.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/e-coli/basics/definition/con-20032105

Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria normally live in the intestines of healthy people and animals.

I'm sorry Attorney @Napoleon , I should have said stated "...E.coli evolved into the bacteria that causes meningitis..." , because one couldn't infer that I was comparing one type of prokaryotic organism to another So now let me rephrase the statement to make you happy:

Has there been an instance where the Escherichia coli evolved into Pneumococcos?

 

[blackzeus]

You dumbfukk...this is your ENTIRE argument. You defended these fukking "improbabilities" then now you can't do the math???

That would be like asking me to calculate the probabilities of a pig flying in my lifetime, why waste the time, and what does that have to do ID. The empirical data behind ID is statistically probable to begin with, as opposed to randomness, are you mad that math doesn't agree with your philosophies?

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Where do you think we get insulin from to meet the demand of diabetics?

Pigs.

As far as I know insulin is produced synthentically with yeast and E.coli, learned that at an intern gig for Eli Lilly, but why let common knowledge get in the way of your passionate rants

 

[blackzeus]

1. fossilization takes a long time
2. neanderthals died off not too long ago
we've only been aware of evolution for 150 years. Thats nothing in comparison to getting down to actually observing it in real and tangible ways.

asking why its not happening fast enough is a stupid question.

And these are logical explanations for not being able to witness one instance of evolution in the last 150 years? I mean, it's a continual process no?

As an aside, any of y'all ever talk to an evolutionist in real life? Here's how the conversation usually goes:

IDer: Hi, I had some questions about evolution...


Evolutionist: You dare question science? What, you believe in unicorns? You f*ckin' retard, you're too stupid to even begin to understand the finer details, matter of fact, I ain't answerin' sh*t

And they claim to be scientists. Your average evolutionist and your average pastor/priest are birds of the same feather

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And these are logical explanations for not being able to witness one instance of evolution in the last 150 years? I mean, it's a continual process no?

As an aside, any of y'all ever talk to an evolutionist in real life? Here's how the conversation usually goes:

IDer: Hi, I had some questions about evolution...


Evolutionist: You dare question science? What, you believe in unicorns? You f*ckin' retard, you're too stupid to even begin to understand the finer details, matter of fact, I ain't answerin' sh*t

And they claim to be scientists. Your average evolutionist and your average pastor/priest are birds of the same feather

I really hate doing your homework for you: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/

 

[blackzeus]

I really hate doing your homework for you: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/

Yes one fly feeding on apples and another feeding on hawthorns proves common descent Evolutionists, what a joke I apologize for the ad hominem, but come on man, you know what I meant. Nikka, I wanna see a fly turn into a bird, I wanna a see a lizard grow fur and start barking, THAT'S evolution, I wanna see some common descent action in real life. The nerves of these nikkaz to call somebody else an idiot Are lions who don't eat meat not lions?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes one fly feeding on apples and another feeding on hawthorns proves common descent Evolutionists, what a joke I apologize for the ad hominem, but come one man, you know what I meant. Nikka, I wanna see a fly turn into a bird, I wanna a see a lizard grow fur and start barking, THAT'S evolution. The nerves of these nikkaz to call somebody else an idiot Are lions who don't eat meat not lions?

Yes, Evolution happens overnight and the earth is 20 years old.

I'm completely fukking done.

Seriously.

 

[Mission249]

If evolution states we have a common ancestor, agreed it happens over millenia, but over the 6000-8000 years of mankind we should have at least witnessed one example

You are currently typing on the most powerful information medium in the history of mankind. If you want to see it, you just have to look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus

And, just to be clear to everyone, evolution doesn't say we had a common ancestor. Evolution is just a word we used to describe a self-evident process. Wikipedia puts it best: Evolution is the change in heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations. It's caused by numerous things: mutation, genetic drift, natural and artificial selection, etc. Even dog breeding is just evolution by artificial selection. Us having a common ancestor is just a particular instance of evolution. If you don't believe it, walk into the Smithsonian: http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence

 

[blackzeus]

Yes, Evolution happens overnight and the earth is 20 years old.

I'm completely fukking done.

Seriously.

There's 8.7 million species on the planet, and in 150 years there hasn't been one documented incident proving common descent. What are the odds of that?

 

[blackzeus]

You are currently typing on the most powerful information medium in the history of mankind. If you want to see it, you just have to look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus

And, just to be clear to everyone, evolution doesn't say we had a common ancestor. Evolution is just a word we used to describe a self-evident process. Wikipedia puts it best: Evolution is the change in heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations. It's caused by numerous things: mutation, genetic drift, natural and artificial selection, etc. Even dog breeding is just evolution by artificial selection. Us having a common ancestor is just a particular instance of evolution. If you don't believe it, walk into the Smithsonian: http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence

 

[NoMayo15]

I'm not gonna waste time calculating how improbable something improbable really is. One guy is not even going to be able to set the I-beam by himself, let alone mine and smelt enough steel and blow enough glass for a 100+ story building within 75 years (even excluding infancy with 75 years there's no way )

That's the problem and difference between me and you. You want to just assert what is more likely or probable between different things when you don't actually know. My stance is we don't know if it's impossible .. we don't have examples of men dedicating 50-60 years to something like that, but a few men can creating similarly amazing things.

More lawyering IMHO. If evolution states we have a common ancestor, agreed it happens over millenia, but over the 6000-8000 years of mankind we should have at least witnessed one example The question is a specific instance of evolution, as opposed to generally asking why evolution isn't happening. Anyway I just wanted to make a point it was a logically valid question, that's all.

Again, mankind was different 8,000 years ago, but the variation you're looking for isn't something we'd see in that time span. It's not logically valid because it implies humans evolve from monkeys.

What speciation have we witnessed

Again, if you don't know, you haven't looked.

The empirical data behind ID is statistically probable to begin with

How is it more probable when, as far as we know, the amount of intelligence that exist outside our planet / universe is exactly zero? It might be the case that nothing can exist outside our universe.

Nikka, I wanna see a fly turn into a bird, I wanna a see a lizard grow fur and start barking, THAT'S evolution

This is the problem. Your idea of evolution is a fantasy. A duck changing into a crocodile. An insect becoming a bird. That's NOT how evolution works. And you are on NO grounds to be laughing at anyone else when it comes to this.

 

[Mission249]

Just when I was starting to gain some respect for you, you purposefully misinterpret part of my post and ignore the rest of the evidence I gave you? Evolution is the process. Us having a common ancestor is a result of the process. Colloquially people conflate the two, but as a scientist, I know that defining words matters. The importance of the nuance is that saying you don't believe in "evolution" is like saying you don't believe in "water". It's just a label we placed on something self-evident. Dog breeding is evolution. Saying you don't believe in man and monkey evolving from a common ancestor is different. See the links I provided you instead of posting gifs.

 

[blackzeus]

That's the problem and difference between me and you. You want to just assert what is more likely or probable between different things when you don't actually know. My stance is we don't know if it's impossible .. we don't have examples of men dedicating 50-60 years dedicated to something like that, but a few men can creating similarly amazing things.

No Attorney @NoMayo15 , we don't know if it's impossible, because theoretically, everything's possible, so instead of focusing on what's 99.9e9% probable, we should focus on what's 0.0e1% probable I mean, why stop there, why not calculate the possibilities of me physically levitating into outer space? or why not investigate the possibilities of me creating a stable bridge from NYC to Johannesburg by hand?

Again, mankind was different 8,000 years ago, but the variation you're looking for isn't something we'd see in that time span. It's not logically valid because it implies humans evolve from monkeys.

It doesn't have to be mankind, you can use amoeba for all I care, show me one, just one incident of proof of common decent with the 8 milly plus documented species we have on the planet. Show me one plant that turned into an insect, show me a lizard that turned into a bird, show me something nikka, I mean, 8 million species, even if only witness ONE incident of evolution through common descent per year, that's .000000125%. Over 150 years, that would be .0000000000833e3%. So what you're saying in 150 year time frame, the evolutionary theory wasn't right ONCE?!!! I mean, if I played roulette for a month, I'd win at least one spin, evolutionary theory couldn't win once in a 150 years?

Again, if you don't know, you haven't looked.

Yes the burden of proof is not on the evolutionist to prove evolution

How is it more probable when, as far as we know, the amount of intelligence that exist outside our planet / universe is exactly zero? It might be the case that nothing can exist outside our universe.

We can start with that assumption, but just the simple calculation of the odds of the cosmic rate of expansion being fixed for the ENTIRE universe would dead that argument in whatever time it took your calculator to plug in the numbers

 

[Mission249]

Show me one plant that turned into an insect, show me a lizard that turned into a bird, show me something nikka, I mean, 8 million species, even if only witness ONE incident of evolution through common descent per year, that's .000000125%. Over 150 years, that would be .0000000000833e3%. So what you're saying in 150 year time frame, the evolutionary theory wasn't right ONCE?!!!

Show us one place where evolutionary theory said "in 150 years a plant will turn into an insect". Otherwise, you simply have an incorrect bordering on child-like understanding of what evolution really is.

 

[NoMayo15]

No Attorney @NoMayo15 , we don't know if it's impossible,

Alright, finally glad we agree.

show me something nikka

I don't know if you saw my last edit, but it briefly addresses your juvenile concept of evolution. For one DNA evidence alone shows how incredibly similar we are to apes, but regardless, the type of thing you're looking for happens over the span of millions of years, not 150. Do you not recognize the vast difference in time that's missing from this equation?

Yes the burden of proof is not on the evolutionist to prove evolution

I thought this thread was about ID, not punching holes in evolution.

We can start with that assumption, but just the simple calculation of the odds of the cosmic rate of expansion being fixed for the ENTIRE universe would dead that argument in whatever time it took your calculator to plug in the numbers

We haven't even agreed that it is fixed, or fixed for the entire universe, much less how you think you know the odds of that being the case.

 

[blackzeus]

Just when I was starting to gain some respect for you, you purposefully misinterpret part of my post and ignore the rest of the evidence I gave you? Evolution is the process. Us having a common ancestor is a result of the process. Colloquially people conflate the two, but as a scientist, I know that defining words matters. The importance of the nuance is that saying you don't believe in "evolution" is like saying you don't believe in "water". It's just a label we placed on something self-evident. Dog breeding is evolution. Saying you don't believe in man and monkey evolving from a common ancestor is different. See the links I provided you instead of posting gifs.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Common_descent

Common descent is the scientific theory that all living organisms on Earth descended from a common ancestor. Although evolution had been suggested as far back as Ancient Greece; the first proponent of common descent appears to have been Erasmus Darwin, the grandfather of Charles Darwin. His book Zoönomia was published in 1796; in it he suggested that "all warm-blooded animals have arisen from one living filament." Biologists have evidence that all life developed from a common ancestor that lived just under 4 billion years ago, and the concept is accepted by virtually all scientists working in the field.

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Common_descent.html

In evolutionary biology, a group of organisms have common descent if they have a common ancestor. "There is strong quantitative support, by a formal test"[1] for the theory that all living organisms on Earth are descended from a common ancestor.[2]

Charles Darwin proposed the theory of universal common descent through an evolutionary process in On the Origin of Species, saying, "There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one".[3]

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIADescent.shtml

We’ve defined evolution as descent with modification from a common ancestor, but exactly what has been modified? Evolution only occurs when there is a change in gene frequency within a population over time. These genetic differences are heritable and can be passed on to the next generation—which is what really matters in evolution: long term change.

And y'all buy the shyt, caught up in the hype
Cause the nikka wear a kufi, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshyt that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?
I've been real all my life, they confuse it with conceit

Well, what is it @Mission249 ? Is it Oochie Wally or One Mic breh? Your peers seem to have no qualms stating what the deal is, what are you, an agnostic evolutionist?

EDIT: Sorry for the ad hominem, I couldn't help myself, I apologize in advance, but you gotta admit this threat is taking a crazy turn