Religion/Spirituality The Intelligent Design/God/Theism Thread

[NoMayo15]

yes, that's with all the equipment ready breh, we talkin' about one man building it from scratch. he's gotta make the cement, the glass, mine the steel, smelt it, all within 80 years? And that's assuming he already has the knowledge ingrained in his head a la the Matrix or some sh*t

Again, even if I give you all that, how do you demonstrate that it's impossible?

I hear you, but you gotta admit stating a common ancestor for homo sapien and pan troglodytes (chimps) and then stating there's no way to observe this because it happens over several millenia raises some basic questions, whether scientifically relevant or not, they are valid logical questions

Fine. There are a lot of valid questions surrounding evolution. But the one you posited wasn't one of them.

Well you raised the question, and it seems like you answered to a degree. All I'm saying the universe is always expanding, analogous to an unfinished skyscraper. I should still be able to see guys working at the top no?

Dunno.

 

[joeychizzle]

Nawww did OP just try to use science to justify cac skydaddies? FOH

 

[blackzeus]

Again, even if I give you all that, how do you demonstrate that it's impossible?

We can take an estimate of the man hours needed to manufacture all the construction materials by hand, then the machinery necessary, the time to transport all those materials and machiner to one location, then the time necessary to build the tower, and then compare the total amount of man hours to the average life span of a man, and conclude that it's STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE. In science it's generally difficult to prove something is IMPOSSIBLE, only that it is IMPROBABLE. But the possibility is so minute it almost becomes trival, but whatever, that's what science is

Fine. There are a lot of valid questions surrounding evolution. But the one you posited wasn't one of them.

Yes it was, it is a logically valid question. If something is always changing, how come I've never seen it changed? Very logical question. It may have no relevance to the fact that that's not what evolution really is, evolution just simply states common ancestry, so technically, no, it has no relevance to evolution theoretically (talk about indefinable position ) but yes, logically, it has relevance

Dunno.

Ok.

 

[blackzeus]

Nawww did OP just try to use science to justify cac skydaddies? FOH

Yes, ID = CAC skydaddies breh, because there are no African/Asian/Indian/Native American "skydaddies"

 

[joeychizzle]

Yes, ID = CAC skydaddies breh, because there are no African/Asian/Indian/Native American "skydaddies"

Using science to justify any sort of higher being, derisively referred to as skydaddies by people who aren't fukking gullible ass fools, is just so wrong. so so wrong.

using the very thing that completely obliterates it in an attempt to justify ludicrous stories from millennia past.

 

[noon]

Yes it was, it is a logically valid question. If something is always changing, how come I've never seen it changed?

Wut.

 

[NoMayo15]

We can take an estimate of the man hours needed to manufacture all the construction materials by hand...

Okay, well do that math for me then I might agree with you.

Yes it was, it is a logically valid question. If something is always changing, how come I've never seen it changed? Very logical question. It may have no relevance to the fact that that's not what evolution really is, evolution just simply states common ancestry, so technically, no, it has no relevance to evolution theoretically (talk about indefinable position) but yes, logically, it has relevance

That's not what that question is asking. "Why monkeys aren't turning into humans" isn't the same as "why don't I see evolution happening". Evolution doesn't say monkeys are less evolved humans and that we should expect that. It's a gross misunderstanding.

If you ask you haven't seen evolution, you just simply haven't looked hard enough. Keep in mind that changes which we'd notice as being significant takes an incredible amount of time (which, I'm not sure you fully grasp). We have, however, used artificial selection in organisms that have a relatively short time between generations, and have literally watched speciation occur.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

We can take an estimate of the man hours needed to manufacture all the construction materials by hand, then the machinery necessary, the time to transport all those materials and machiner to one location, then the time necessary to build the tower, and then compare the total amount of man hours to the average life span of a man, and conclude that it's STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE. In science it's generally difficult to prove something is IMPOSSIBLE, only that it is IMPROBABLE. But the possibility is so minute it almost becomes trival, but whatever, that's what science is




Yes it was, it is a logically valid question. If something is always changing, how come I've never seen it changed? Very logical question. It may have no relevance to the fact that that's not what evolution really is, evolution just simply states common ancestry, so technically, no, it has no relevance to evolution theoretically (talk about indefinable position ) but yes, logically, it has relevance




Ok.

Dude, this isn't how you calculate the improbability of something happening...because its only a function of the mechanistic capabilities of the society and it's manufacturing processes, not the literally and translational probability of something happening.

You can't just multiply unrelated numbers and reach numbers that reach trivial conclusions.

 

[blackzeus]

Using science to justify any sort of higher being, derisively referred to as skydaddies by people who aren't fukking gullible ass fools, is just so wrong. so so wrong.

using the very thing that completely obliterates it in an attempt to justify ludicrous stories from millennia past.

Kudos to you that you're anti-God, but that is irrelevant to ID, ID has nothing to do with creationism. Creationists use ID as a scientific backing for their beliefs. ID is a tool for understanding the genesis of the universe. You can use a hammer to kill somebody, that doesn't mean that was the original intent of the hammer

 

[blackzeus]

Dude, this isn't how you calculate the improbability of something happening...because its only a function of the mechanistic capabilities of the society and it's manufacturing processes, not the literally and translational probability of something happening.

You can't just multiply unrelated numbers and reach numbers that reach trivial conclusions.

You're right, I apologize, we should include the odds that the single human being can wave a magic wand and make a skyscraper appear Everything is within a frame of reference breh. If we spent the time including every single possible outcome we'd be here until the end of time. Science generally excludes the highly improbable in its calculations unless there are singularities. Most of your modern day calculus, mechanical/quantum physics, chemistry etc are approximations, not exact calculations

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're right, I apologize, we should include the odds that the single human being can wave a magic wand and make a skyscraper appear Everything is within a frame of reference breh. If we spent the time including every single possible outcome we'd be here until the end of time. Science generally excludes the highly improbable in its calculations unless there are singularities. Most of your modern day calculus, mechanical/quantum physics, chemistry etc are approximations, not exact calculations

fam, you can't just MULTIPLY numbers together.

This is the problem of what we're talking about.

Such odds can't be determined in an open set of data.

This isn't the same as rolling dice.

 

[blackzeus]

fam, you can't just MULTIPLY numbers together.

This is the problem of what we're talking about.

Such odds can't be determined in an open set of data.

This isn't the same as rolling dice.

It's not an open set of data, we're assuming the a single human being with the technology and capabilities of this society, but with nothing at hand, meaning he has to make everything from scratch

EDIT: Of course, this has 0 relevance to ID, but carry on

 

[blackzeus]

Okay, well do that math for me then I might agree with you.

I'm not gonna waste time calculating how improbable something improbable really is. One guy is not even going to be able to set the I-beam by himself, let alone mine and smelt enough steel and blow enough glass for a 100+ story building within 75 years (even excluding infancy with 75 years there's no way )

That's not what that question is asking. "Why monkeys aren't turning into humans" isn't the same as "why don't I see evolution happening". Evolution doesn't say monkeys are less evolved humans and that we should expect that. It's a gross misunderstanding.

More lawyering IMHO. If evolution states we have a common ancestor, agreed it happens over millenia, but over the 6000-8000 years of mankind we should have at least witnessed one example The question is a specific instance of evolution, as opposed to generally asking why evolution isn't happening. Anyway I just wanted to make a point it was a logically valid question, that's all.

If you ask you haven't seen evolution, you just simply haven't looked hard enough. Keep in mind that changes which we'd notice as being significant takes an incredible amount of time (which, I'm not sure you fully grasp). We have, however, used artificial selection in organisms that have a relatively short time between generations, and have literally watched speciation occur.

Have we witnessed E.coli turn into meningitis? What speciation have we witnessed (outside of Area 51 Frankenstein type sh*t )

**By-note**Technically, we have used artificial selection/insemination to make some disturbing creatures:

Spoiler

Why do we find it necessary to f*ck with nature?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It's not an open set of data, we're assuming the a single human being with the technology and capabilities of this society, but with nothing at hand, meaning he has to make everything from scratch

EDIT: Of course, this has 0 relevance to ID, but carry on

This has EVERYTHING to do with your fukked up understanding of whatever you're defending as "intelligent design"

You keep basing this shyt on stupid fukking mathematic magic that don't represent anything

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm not gonna waste time calculating how improbable something improbable really is. One guy is not even going to be able to set the I-beam by himself, let alone mine and smelt enough steel and blow enough glass for a 100+ story building within 75 years (even excluding infancy with 75 years there's no way )

You dumbfukk...this is your ENTIRE argument. You defended these fukking "improbabilities" then now you can't do the math???

More lawyering IMHO. If evolution states we have a common ancestor, agreed it happens over millenia, but over the 6000-8000 years of mankind we should have at least witnessed one example

1. fossilization takes a long time
2. neanderthals died off not too long ago

The question is a specific instance of evolution, as opposed to generally asking why evolution isn't happening. Anyway I just wanted to make a point it was a logically valid question, that's all.

we've only been aware of evolution for 150 years. Thats nothing in comparison to getting down to actually observing it in real and tangible ways.

asking why its not happening fast enough is a stupid question.

Have we witnessed E.coli turn into meningitis?

This is why we're done you dumb fukking clown.

1. E. Coli is a bacteria

2. Meningitis is a disease state in which the brains Meninges (layers of tissues surrounding the brain) are infected by VIRUSES, other bacteria, or drugs

This is like asking why we haven't witnessed dogs turn into emphysema.

you are fukking stupid as fukk for this shyt and this just confirms it.



you seriously just asked why an animal doesn't turn into a disease.





Log the fukk off. ​

at speciation have we witnessed (outside of Area 51 Frankenstein type sh*t )

**By-note**Technically, we have used artificial selection/insemination to make some disturbing creatures:

Spoiler

Why do we find it necessary to f*ck with nature?

Where do you think we get insulin from to meet the demand of diabetics?

Pigs.