The Grapevine: Africans, AA's and Caribbeans

[Bawon Samedi]

How will Pan-Africanism work when a homogeneous ethnic group has severe intra tribal schisms? That's one example of division amongst Africans. Imagine the religious, ethnic, language divisions on the continent. Scary. AAs don't have that problem and the sixties assumed naive ideals of Pan-Africanism.

This is why I believe pan-Africanism outside of business is unrealistic.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

In that case, you'd have more in common with Black foreigners, than you would with other AA.

na...hotep aframs are still very afram...they just go overboard with the hotepness

 

[How Sway?]

Oh no doubt we started that mess.


Thats why IMO when outsiders talk wild about us I try to take into account that alot of AA Hoteps help put the battery in their back to begin with.

I grew up around it too which kinda shaped my perspective about all of this. Half my fam growing up were Hotep as hell, a generation or two removed from the south...very urbanized. The other half were some country folk straight out the south who adapted to the city but kept their old ways...and thats the side I spent more time around.

I remember getting teased about eating chitlins and pig feet, being superstitious, etc. It's kinda why I feel strongly about alot of this shyt, I grew up in the middle of that rift.

what city are you from

 

[im_sleep]

what city are you from

San Diego, why whats up?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Matter of fact, I had an interesting convo with a Jamaican chick a while back. She mentioned that AA's clowned her growing up for eating oxtails


...that was nuts to me...but guess where she was from?


I think we're agreeing more about all of this than disagreeing.

aframs eat oxtails...where was she from?

 

[im_sleep]

aframs eat oxtails...where was she from?

NYC

 

[K.O.N.Y]

San Diego, why whats up?

I relate being born and raised in NYC

Im not sure whose worst the disconnected western or the Afram yankee

@IllmaticDelta

 

[How Sway?]

San Diego, why whats up?

lol i figured you were gonna say NY or somewhere in the north east since you said a lot of hoteps are foreign blacks.

I don't know of too many African hoteps (except Brother Polite) but i've met quite a few Caribbean hoteps. Many of them from the northeast

And yes A lot of Black feminists have Foreign roots @Diasporan Royalty or don't even live in America.

I have my own theory as to why that is

 

[Grano-Grano]

This is why I believe pan-Africanism outside of business is unrealistic.

Prosperous business and trade relationships will spark cultural and race consciousness due to mutual beneficial exchanges like it did for centuries before European expansion on the continent.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

NYC

Aframs in NYC know about/eat oxtails...my fam has always cooked them since I can remember.They aren't rare in soul food spots

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I relate being born and raised in NYC

Im not sure whose worst the disconnected wetstern or the Afram yankee

@IllmaticDelta

I think aframs from the north east are less "southern" than black westerners.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

One young african woman in the video made a point that AA's dont realize. She pointed out that most nations across the world treat THEIR Blacks like trash and are more welcoming to other Blacks. I think there was a thread on here about AA's being treated WAY better in certain Asian countries than continental Africans. Mainly because of the cultural global popularity that AA's have and because most Africans are viewed as criminal, and as scammers. Same in certain European countries where certain Africans are banished to the ghettos, but an AA will have a higher profile. Say what you will, but that AA ethno badge gives y'all privilege that you don't even realize. And yall may think Continental Africans are taking advantage(maybe here in the US) but outside the US? That's not reality.

this is actually another self selection vs population size scenario at work. It's the same reason why many aframs think, foreign blacks are treated better than them in the USA by white people

 

[im_sleep]

lol i figured you were gonna say NY or somewhere in the north east since you said a lot of hoteps are foreign blacks.

I don't know of too many African hoteps (except Brother Polite) but i've met quite a few Caribbean hoteps.

And yes A lot of Black feminists Are Foreigners @Diasporan Royalty or don't even live in America.

Oh ok. Yeah I should of clarified that foreign mainly being Caribbean. I haven't met an African hotep at all to be honest, feminist tho yes.

But anyway I'm going off a mix of real life and online interaction.

 

[im_sleep]

Aframs in NYC know about/eat oxtails...my fam has always cooked them since I can remember.They aren't rare in soul food spots

Oh I know, aint no way yall don't. But some nikka's slip through the cracks. I think for some of us, traditional things might not pass on generation after generation. Immigrants go through this too. In a big ass cosmopolitan city it's bound to happen.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I think aframs from the north east are less "southern" than black westerners.

And to add we might be the only blacks to not have even a slight twang to our accents