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[NO-BadAzz]

The lights went off on Jay's career in 2003 when he "retired" for three years. At that point Jay was solidified as one of the best to ever do it.

Doesn't mean he had a bigger stance than Nelly at the time breh.

 

[JustCKing]

Huh?

That could be said about Lil Wayne? His run was from 04-09 give or take, I may say 08 and dude doesn't get the same props when he got from that 04-09 span

Biggie could be thrown in that as well,

2pac as well. The run matters breh. If you don't go on a 8-0 in your career than you can't really make an impact on the game,
Outkast can be added to the list

There's a difference between comparing Pac, Biggie, Wayne, and Kast to Nelly and P. The runs they had were longer.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

There's a difference between comparing Pac, Biggie, Wayne, and Kast to Nelly and P. The runs they had were longer.

Ok breh

 

[OHSNAP!]

Huh?

That could be said about Lil Wayne? His run was from 04-09 give or take, I may say 08 and dude doesn't get the same props when he got from that 04-09 span

Biggie could be thrown in that as well,

2pac as well. The run matters breh. If you don't go on a 8-0 in your career than you can't really make an impact on the game,
Outkast can be added to the list

This is true. Some iconic/huge/important runs were REALLY short (Biggie, Nelly, Lil Jon in rap. Look at NBA/NFL teams throughout history. Austin in WWE had a 5 year run tops and is considered the greatest star WWE ever had. Similar with Rock)

 

[JustCKing]

Breh

You said "It aint my fault" was far from a hit and I showed you numbers where that song peak and that's when you came with that BS logic

Coming off a successful album is meaningless? huh, What is you saying breh.

That mo mo helped that single breh, that single was not good, prolly is worst single ever, (to me)

You said "It Ain't My Fault" was one of the biggest songs of '98. I posted a chart of bigger songs of '98 from the same chart you were citing.

 

[Wacky D]

Face's time wasn't up.

The Vibe cover was a rap cover and Vibe isn't exactly a Non-rap magazine and P definitely wasn't some big mainstream artist in 2002.

OutKast is bigger than Master P in the real world. They aren't some Internet sensation, which is why the Roots comparison is laughable.

Face is a Hip Hop icon and even if by some stretch of the imagination, he wasn't, the fact that you're conceding he's the Southern GOAT makes him a bigger southern icon than P.

Now you're admitting that Juve was the bigger rapper of that era, so I'm not quite sure what you're arguing here.

vibe is rap-heavy but r&b is top priority.
trick daddy didn't quite reach that status breh.

you completely missed the point. I'm not saying that outkast is an internet sensation, and neither are the roots. I'm saying that these groups are a combination of purist rap & crossover rap. outkast's draw really isn't southern rap, and the roots' draw really isn't philly hip-hop.

sure, you can say that scarface is a southern icon. but nationally? nah.

the point is, juvenile was dead in the water in terms of mainstream releases in 2002-2003.
what was the vibe supposed to write about? they were supposed to put him on the cover for the UTP 600 degreez mixtape?

Scarface is Jay Z in terms of his status in Hip Hop though. In terms of Hip Hop music, Face is a Hip Hop icon.

theres a difference between a legend & an icon.

scarface is a legend, and you can even call him a regional icon. but hes not a hip-hop icon.

 

[OHSNAP!]

There's a difference between comparing Pac, Biggie, Wayne, and Kast to Nelly and P. The runs they had were longer.

It's true

But saying that Jay and Wayne are bigger icons or bigger names because their career was more successful because of longetivity doesn't make shorter runs (with bigger peaks, well Wayne's peak when Carter 3 came out was enormous too) like MP or Lil Jon or Nelly less important/valuable/iconic

 

[JustCKing]

It's true

But saying that Jay and Wayne are bigger icons or bigger names because their career was more successful because of longetivity doesn't make shorter runs (with bigger peaks, well Wayne's peak when Carter 3 came out was enormous too) like MP or Lil Jon or Nelly less important/valuable/iconic

Think about it. Nelly, MP, or Lil Jon hardly get the respect of a Jay Z and to some degree Wayne. Personally, there's some things that Jay gets credit for that P did first, but that's another thread.

 

[OHSNAP!]

Mystikal coming off of a successful album is meaningless. It didn't ensure thay the song would chart that high.

Bullshyt

Chart positions are based on sales and PLAY

Bouncin Back got play because it was Mystikal's first single from his new album, the successor to his most famous/popular album Let's Get Ready. OF COURSE MTV/BET would play that. Common shyt in the music industry, nothing special
Doesn't mean it sold like that though. Minor hit? yeah! expected big smash? Hell no

 

[JustCKing]

Bullshyt

Chart positions are based on sales and PLAY

Bouncin Back got play because it was Mystikal's first single from his new album, the successor to his most famous/popular album Let's Get Ready. OF COURSE MTV/BET would play that. Common shyt in the music industry, nothing special
Doesn't mean it sold like that though. Minor hit? yeah! expected big smash? Hell no

That same song could've been DOA. There's a lot of instances where an artist comes off of a widely successful album and then comes back with another album and the first single is a flop.

 

[JustCKing]

vibe is rap-heavy but r&b is top priority.
trick daddy didn't quite reach that status breh.

you completely missed the point. I'm not saying that outkast is an internet sensation, and neither are the roots. I'm saying that these groups are a combination of purist rap & crossover rap. outkast's draw really isn't southern rap, and the roots' draw really isn't philly hip-hop.

sure, you can say that scarface is a southern icon. but nationally? nah.

the point is, juvenile was dead in the water in terms of mainstream releases in 2002-2003.
what was the vibe supposed to write about? they were supposed to put him on the cover for the UTP 600 degreez mixtape?

Are Master P, Mystikal, and Ludacris R&B?

OutKast's core base is Southern rap fans. No matter how crossover or purist attention they received, the core of the group stayed Southern.

Scarface isn't regional. Dude is a highly regarded Southern Icon bigger than Master P.

The Vibe article wasn't necessarily about their individual careers. It had to do with the big three of the South at the time and that definitely wasn't Master P.

theres a difference between a legend & an icon.

scarface is a legend, and you can even call him a regional icon. but hes not a hip-hop icon.

How is Scarface not a Hip Hop icon? Even still, you made it a point to say "Southern" icon in regard to P. You're moving goal posts.

 

[Wacky D]

If we talkin' 90s rap fans (80s babies), everyone would agree

If we talkin' all generations, most under 20 wouldn't know Face...everyone and their momma know Jay Z

not even that.

most 80s babies really don't care about scarface like that. and most of his work is an acquired taste.

Are Master P, Mystikal, and Ludacris R&B?

OutKast's core base is Southern rap fans. No matter how crossover or purist attention they received, the core of the group stayed Southern.

Scarface isn't regional. Dude is a highly regarded Southern Icon bigger than Master P.

The Vibe article wasn't necessarily about their individual careers. It had to do with the big three of the South at the time and that definitely wasn't Master P.



How is Scarface not a Hip Hop icon? Even still, you made it a point to say "Southern" icon in regard to P. You're moving goal posts.

master p, mystikal & Ludacris were huge blockbuster names. shoot, Ludacris prolly made the cover of rolling stones or whatever other white music mags. let alone the vibe. and master p would have too if white folks didn't view him as such a threat.

outkast came out with the crossover draw from day one breh. a lot of rap fans hated them for it. but at the same time, they were backpack.
and down south, they got love for outkast but they aint on them like THAT. their standing in the south mirrors that of the roots in philly.

I didn't say scarface was regional. hes a legend everywhere. I'm saying that his ICON STATUS is regional.

scarface isn't an across-the-board icon. too many rap addicts can go a whole lifetime without engaging in a conversation about the guy. and I'm not even talking about young buls in their early 20s & under. I'm talking about people in their 30s breh. nor does he have the hit, nor does he have the jams, nor does he have the success factor, etc etc.

while I'm at it, outkast aren't icons either.

***stirs the pot***

 

[OHSNAP!]

That same song could've been DOA. There's a lot of instances where an artist comes off of a widely successful album and then comes back with another album and the first single is a flop.

BB was a flop breh. Compare that to Shake Ya Azz and Danger!

 

[JustCKing]

BB was a flop breh. Compare that to Shake Ya Azz and Danger!

"Bouncin Back" was still a bigger hit than any song Master P had out at the time.

 

[JustCKing]

not even that.

most 80s babies really don't care about scarface like that. and most of his work is an acquired taste.





master p, mystikal & Ludacris were huge blockbuster names. shoot, Ludacris prolly made the cover of rolling stones or whatever other white music mags. let alone the vibe. and master p would have too if white folks didn't view him as such a threat.

outkast came out with the crossover draw from day one breh. a lot of rap fans hated them for it. but at the same time, they were backpack.
and down south, they got love for outkast but they aint on them like THAT. their standing in the south mirrors that of the roots in philly.

I didn't say scarface was regional. hes a legend everywhere. I'm saying that his ICON STATUS is regional.

scarface isn't an across-the-board icon. too many rap addicts can go a whole lifetime without engaging in a conversation about the guy. and I'm not even talking about young buls in their early 20s & under. I'm talking about people in their 30s breh. nor does he have the hit, nor does he have the jams, nor does he have the success factor, etc etc.

while I'm at it, outkast aren't icons either.

***stirs the pot***

Master P was not a blockbuster name in 2002. '97-'99, Master P was definitely a blockbuster name.

OutKast is still a respected group down south. More so than Master P. You can't hold crossover success and people hating on them for it all while praising Luda.

Scarface is a Hip Hop icon and again, you turned into something regional the moment you specifically stated "Southern Icons". There's a lot of Rap addicts that exclude Master P from conversations as a whole. That doesn't take anything away from P's legacy.

OutKast are icons. You aren't exactly stirring the pot because you don't like OutKast.