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[Wacky D]

How is Scarface not a Hip Hop icon? Even still, you made it a point to say "Southern" icon in regard to P. You're moving goal posts.

I never said master p was just a southern icon.

youre confusing quotes now. and youre doing that in the post below too:

Master P was not a blockbuster name in 2002. '97-'99, Master P was definitely a blockbuster name.

OutKast is still a respected group down south. More so than Master P. You can't hold crossover success and people hating on them for it all while praising Luda.

Scarface is a Hip Hop icon and again, you turned into something regional the moment you specifically stated "Southern Icons". There's a lot of Rap addicts that exclude Master P from conversations as a whole. That doesn't take anything away from P's legacy.

OutKast are icons. You aren't exactly stirring the pot because you don't like OutKast.

P was still responsible for a lot of hits in '00-01 as well.

master p gets way more love in the south than outkast. and I'm not holding outkast's crossover success against them. but things tend to get lost in translation when they get brought up. your whole argument for them is a prime example of that.

nobody is claiming that Ludacris is an icon. that's the difference.

scarface is not an icon just because you said so. LOL. and I'm not turning it into a regional thing. youre just taking certain comments to heart.

Its not about who I like or don't like. theres plenty of icons who I don't like. outkast just aren't icons breh. they crossed over at the twilight of their career and made pop records. other than that, they were never attention-grabbers.

master p is probably the most love/hate debated rapper ever, but regardless of whether you think his music was great or trash, hes clearly an icon.
as opposed to outkast or even scarface, who if youre not a fan of those guys, they could easily fall into non-existence, no matter how many awards or accolades they receive.

I'm telling you that Jay was not always bigger than Nelly and Jay was entering his prime at the time. Nelly was still on top of the game.

ehh

jay's prime was in the '90s.

jay was just stat-padding his legacy, and furthering his name in households in the early '00s.

You're the one who said it was a minor hit in the first place. Regardless, nothing you're saying here proves "Oohwee" was bigger. All you're saying is that the song was hot in spots you frequented. "Rock The Boat" definitely wasn't a hit song. You may not like "Bouncin Back", but it was still a bigger hit than "Oohwee".

man, that "rock the boat" song is still a regular in mixes all the way up here. right along with "choppa style".

"bouncing back" was really just a continuation of the mystikal/neptunes singles run from the previous album.......and the well was dry at that point. it got more airplay than "oohwee" via the industry but other than that, I don't see how it was bigger.

I never said a song peaking at acertain number wasn't a hit.

Mystikal coming off of a successful album is meaningless. It didn't ensure thay the song would chart that high.

"Oohwee", "Rock The Boat" or "Bouncin Back" are played loke thay anymore. "

I'm prolly the biggest mystikal fan on here, but "bouncing back" only got the play it did, because of the success of the previous album, and it helped that it used the same formula as his 2 biggest hits.

"rock the boat" still gets play in radio party mixes & the club/party scene all the way up here in 2k17 bro.

There's a difference between comparing Pac, Biggie, Wayne, and Kast to Nelly and P. The runs they had were longer.

outkast never had a run. they were a middle of the road group in the '90s, who were a better version of the black eyed peas in the 2000s. be real with the game, homie.

wayne milked a weak era and took advantage of the culture being dumbed-down. hes drake.

 

[JustCKing]

I never said master p was just a southern icon.

youre confusing quotes now. and youre doing that in the post below too:

having master p, the biggest icon of the south,

^^^you never said he was just a Southern icon though?

P was still responsible for a lot of hits in '00-01 as well.

master p gets way more love in the south than outkast. and I'm not holding outkast's crossover success against them. but things tend to get lost in translation when they get brought up. your whole argument for them is a prime example of that.

nobody is claiming that Ludacris is an icon. that's the difference.

scarface is not an icon just because you said so. LOL. and I'm not turning it into a regional thing. youre just taking certain comments to heart.

Its not about who I like or don't like. theres plenty of icons who I don't like. outkast just aren't icons breh. they crossed over at the twilight of their career and made pop records. other than that, they were never attention-grabbers.

master p is probably the most love/hate debated rapper ever, but regardless of whether you think his music was great or trash, hes clearly an icon.
as opposed to outkast or even scarface, who if youre not a fan of those guys, they could easily fall into non-existence, no matter how many awards or accolades they receive.

Master P was not responsible for a lot of hits in '00-'01.

P does not get more love in The South than Kast. The only thing that gets lost in translation when they are brought up is your understanding of them.

Again, you're moving goal posts. Whether Luda is an icon or not isn't the point. You're in here propping Luda's career and then downplaying Kast for the very same reasons you're propping Luda.

In regard to Face, that Source cover that he got in 2000 was a cover where they outright labeled him a Hip Hop Icon verbatim on the cover.

How are OutKast not Icons? OutKast were attention grabbers and there's much more to being an Icon than being an attention grabber.

I never said P wasn't Icon, but saying he's the biggest Southern Icon is hyperbole.

Breh, people who aren't fans of Master P aren't going out of their way to mention him. There are people who can't stand Kast or Face that will willingly attest to them being Icons.

I'm prolly the biggest mystikal fan on here, but "bouncing back" only got the play it did, because of the success of the previous album, and it helped that it used the same formula as his 2 biggest hits.

"rock the boat" still gets play in radio party mixes & the club/party scene all the way up here in 2k17 bro.

"Bouncing Back" was still bigger than "Oohwee" and any other song P had out the time. Unless you can post something tangible that everyone in this thread could easily verify, you're just making up stuff now. "Bouncing Back" didn't use a formula. Aside from The Neptunes producing "Bouncing Back", it was totally different from The Neptunes' songs from Let's Get Ready.

outkast never had a run. they were a middle of the road group in the '90s, who were a better version of the black eyed peas in the 2000s. be real with the game, homie.

wayne milked a weak era and took advantage of the culture being dumbed-down. hes drake.

Alright, since you want to resort to downplaying:

Master P never had a run. He got over by capitalizing on the death of Pac. With Pac gone, and P biting Pac, many of the Pac aficionado latched on. Once the novelty wore off, people moved on to CMR. No Limit was just a diet, Southern version of Death Row.

 

[Wacky D]

^^^you never said he was just a Southern icon though?


Master P was not responsible for a lot of hits in '00-'01.

P does not get more love in The South than Kast. The only thing that gets lost in translation when they are brought up is your understanding of them.

Again, you're moving goal posts. Whether Luda is an icon or not isn't the point. You're in here propping Luda's career and then downplaying Kast for the very same reasons you're propping Luda.

In regard to Face, that Source cover that he got in 2000 was a cover where they outright labeled him a Hip Hop Icon verbatim on the cover.

How are OutKast not Icons? OutKast were attention grabbers and there's much more to being an Icon than being an attention grabber.

I never said P wasn't Icon, but saying he's the biggest Southern Icon is hyperbole.

Breh, people who aren't fans of Master P aren't going out of their way to mention him. There are people who can't stand Kast or Face that will willingly attest to them being Icons.



"Bouncing Back" was still bigger than "Oohwee" and any other song P had out the time. Unless you can post something tangible that everyone in this thread could easily verify, you're just making up stuff now. "Bouncing Back" didn't use a formula. Aside from The Neptunes producing "Bouncing Back", it was totally different from The Neptunes' songs from Let's Get Ready.



Alright, since you want to resort to downplaying:

Master P never had a run. He got over by capitalizing on the death of Pac. With Pac gone, and P biting Pac, many of the Pac aficionado latched on. Once the novelty wore off, people moved on to CMR. No Limit was just a diet, Southern version of Death Row.

watching you argue with the other 2 buls about hit records, I'm not even gonna bother listing the no limit hits from 00-01.

I said scarface is a southern icon. not master p.
I said P is an icon period.
I don't care what a fan of scarface that just-so-happens to work at the source has to say. hes not an icon across the map. hes the type of guy that may pop up in someones top 10 goat list or favorites list. hes in the same range as people like say kool g.rap, jadakiss, ghostface, etc. but in a better standing because unlike them, he was a pioneer. but hes not 2pac, jay-z, ll cool j, snoop, biggie, dre, cube, rakim, nas, etc.

you keep going back-n-forth regurgitating the same arguments with nothing to support your claims. just YOU wanting something to be your way.

lol @ outkast being more popular than the master p in the south or any black habitat in any region. outkast is more popular with people who stay in the house.

you don't understand what I mean by attention-grabber. they never had any day-to-day impact. they were never a group that niccas sat around and argued about. even when I was living down south, the only time I talked about outkast was on here.

I'm not proppin up luda & downplaying outkast. the thing is, nobody is trying to say that Ludacris is an icon, so theres no need for me to add perspective to his career. if you still cant understand the difference, then that's a personal problem. along with the other stuff in your post that I skimmed over because I'm tried of going in circles with you. lol.

"Bouncing Back" was still bigger than "Oohwee" and any other song P had out the time. Unless you can post something tangible that everyone in this thread could easily verify, you're just making up stuff now. "Bouncing Back" didn't use a formula. Aside from The Neptunes producing "Bouncing Back", it was totally different from The Neptunes' songs from Let's Get Ready

I'm definitely not gonna argue you down about this, cuz I don't like ANY of these songs.

but your problem is, youre too caught up in sales & charts.

you tried to claim that nobody plays those master p songs anymore, but I killed your argument by noting that "rock that" is still a regular party jam to this day, halfway across the country. and now youre claiming that you want tangible evidence.

mystikal + neptunes IS the formula breh. there was big money behind that single. so of course it got more airplay. but it didn't do well.

Alright, since you want to resort to downplaying:

Master P never had a run. He got over by capitalizing on the death of Pac. With Pac gone, and P biting Pac, many of the Pac aficionado latched on. Once the novelty wore off, people moved on to CMR. No Limit was just a diet, Southern version of Death Row.

okay buddy

 

[Wacky D]

and let me clarify what I mean by scarface being a southern icon. that's not a bad thing, and no I'm not trying to start a regional argument.

scarface is a legend everywhere.
but in the south hes on a even higher level. that's all I'm saying.

I just cant put him in the icon tier unless we're talking strictly southern rappers & figures.

that's all I'm saying. but I admit, it kinda came out wrong.

I mean, if youre loose with it and you view people like outkast, mobb deep, or tribe called quest as icons, then yea i'd say scarface is an icon too.

 

[JustCKing]

watching you argue with the other 2 buls about hit records, I'm not even gonna bother listing the no limit hits from 00-01.

I said scarface is a southern icon. not master p.
I said P is an icon period.
I don't care what a fan of scarface that just-so-happens to work at the source has to say. hes not an icon across the map. hes the type of guy that may pop up in someones top 10 goat list or favorites list. hes in the same range as people like say kool g.rap, jadakiss, ghostface, etc. but in a better standing because unlike them, he was a pioneer. but hes not 2pac, jay-z, ll cool j, snoop, biggie, dre, cube, rakim, nas, etc.

you keep going back-n-forth regurgitating the same arguments with nothing to support your claims. just YOU wanting something to be your way.

lol @ outkast being more popular than the master p in the south or any black habitat in any region. outkast is more popular with people who stay in the house.

you don't understand what I mean by attention-grabber. they never had any day-to-day impact. they were never a group that niccas sat around and argued about. even when I was living down south, the only time I talked about outkast was on here.

I'm not proppin up luda & downplaying outkast. the thing is, nobody is trying to say that Ludacris is an icon, so theres no need for me to add perspective to his career. if you still cant understand the difference, then that's a personal problem. along with the other stuff in your post that I skimmed over because I'm tried of going in circles with you. lol.

You're not going to bother listing them because you can't.

No, you clearly relegated Master P to Southern Icon status. I posted your words verbatim, taking nothing out of context. You may not care what someone who works at The Source thinks. The point is you stated that Face wasn't an icon and you acted like it was something that only I was saying. Face is an icon in the echelon of the greats you named. He even influenced some of them.

I did support my claims. You haven't posted one iota of anything to back up what you're spewing here.

In regard to OutKast, if anything, Kast makes P look like a local artist from N.O. if we're going to be real about it. This is a group that is known globally with global hits.

Breh, who really argues about Master P other than you and the supporters in this thread. Who really takes an argument of Master P being a top anything seriously.

You know that you contradicted yourself with the propping of Luda, which is why you're trying to back out of that part of the discussion now.

I'm definitely not gonna argue you down about this, cuz I don't like ANY of these songs.

but your problem is, youre too caught up in sales & charts.

you tried to claim that nobody plays those master p songs anymore, but I killed your argument by noting that "rock that" is still a regular party jam to this day, halfway across the country. and now youre claiming that you want tangible evidence.

mystikal + neptunes IS the formula breh. there was big money behind that single. so of course it got more airplay. but it didn't do well.

You can't sit there and call me out for being caught up in sales, when sales have been brought up throughout this thread in support of No Limit's movement. People even said No Limit wouldn't have sold what they sold if they weren't putting out quality music.

Mystikal+The Neptunes weren't a formula. "Bouncing Back" did do well. It was a Top 40 hit.

 

[JustCKing]

and let me clarify what I mean by scarface being a southern icon. that's not a bad thing, and no I'm not trying to start a regional argument.

scarface is a legend everywhere.
but in the south hes on a even higher level. that's all I'm saying.

I just cant put him in the icon tier unless we're talking strictly southern rappers & figures.

that's all I'm saying. but I admit, it kinda came out wrong.

I mean, if youre loose with it and you view people like outkast, mobb deep, or tribe called quest as icons, then yea i'd say scarface is an icon too.

Face is a Hip Hop Icon. There's nothing you can do to change that regardless of you being able to put him on that platform or not.

 

[Wacky D]

LOL

have a good night @JustCKing

 

[OHSNAP!]

Master P never had a run.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Crazy breh, Just crazy.

You can tell who wasn't old enough to buy CDs or listen to music back then.

 

[JustCKing]

Crazy breh, Just crazy.

You can tell who wasn't old enough to buy CDs or listen to music back then.

If posters can get away with spewing outlandish garbage such as Face nor Kast are Hip Hop Icons and that Kast didn't get a run, P never had a run either. History rewrites work both ways.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

If posters can get away with spewing outlandish garbage such as Face nor Kast are Hip Hop Icons and that Kast didn't get a run, P never had a run either. History rewrites work both ways.

Breh if you weren't 12 and up in 97, you don't understand how Kast was viewed.

And if you wasn't on the scene back then: at parties/clubs/lounges/streets/cookouts/college parties/

You're off.

 

[JustCKing]

Breh if you weren't 12 and up in 97, you don't understand how Kast was viewed.

And if you wasn't on the scene back then: at parties/clubs/lounges/streets/cookouts/college parties/

You're off.

OutKast IS an iconic group. In 1997, they were two albums deep. I never said they were icons then. To say that they aren't icons now though is clearly false. Some of the most bizarre posts that even P himself wouldn't even co-sign have been posted in this thread.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

OutKast IS an iconic group. In 1997, they were two albums deep. I never said they were icons then. To say that they aren't icons now though is clearly false. Some of the most bizarre posts that even P himself wouldn't even co-sign have been posted in this thread.

So you're saying Kast are icons, but P is not, isn't bizarre?

 

[JustCKing]

So you're saying Kast are icons, but P is not, isn't bizarre?

I didn't say P wasn't an icon, he's just not a bigger icon than Kast or Face.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

I didn't say P wasn't an icon, he's just not a bigger icon than Kast or Face.

Why you say that he isn't bigger, because of what?