The gentrification of college basketball

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Before creating the Miami big 3, who was the top 5 in PER the year before?

Oh look it's the same players Lebron lost two Finals with

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Greg Oden 21 games played, 23 minutes per game, 8th in PER

 

[mastermind]

I remember (when PER was new) Nick Collison led the league in PER and Lebron was 2nd

what year was this?

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

what year was this?

it was after like 10 games, it wasn't sustained throughout the whole season, but I fondly remember that and I always laugh at advanced analytics people because of it.

 

[mastermind]

it was after like 10 games,

thank you.

Thats why it matters after a large sample size and we dont regard small sample sizes.

Flip Murray lead the NBA in scoring after 15 games.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

thank you.

Thats why it matters after a large sample size and we dont regard small sample sizes.

Flip Murray lead the NBA in scoring after 15 games.

regardless of sample size, flip actually led the league in scoring after 15 games, so he was putting up buckets.


what makes collisons per funny is that he was averaging like 1ppg and 2 rpg yet the Formula still had him at #1


which to me makes the formula STUPID and inaccurate af

 

[holidayinn21]

You must've not watched him play to reply like this.

 

[ISO]

A history of the "end" & evolution of NBA big men





What Zone defense/offense does is take out the effectiveness of the Big man. The big man is there because the has the most advantage on the court, take out the Big man, now there is an equal playing field. And easier ways to score if the Big man is behind the 3 point line waiting to take a shot
Now you see way more open lanes, way more non athletic average players who can now drive the ball with ease without a dominant force near the basket that's in your way. Less post defense = More easy offense

Also, when a system takes away ISO plays, you're taking away stars. What brainwashed fans don't realize is that the exact definition of a Star is to have plays called for you

The Zone system started in 2002. Now you see the concerted effort to bring more non-black players to limit the percentage of Black players
Evidently, their efforts haven't made a big splash because Black people are just more talented. But the system is there for non-blacks to thrive

Why do you think after like 2001, you started seeing more and more Euro ball players? Because Zone systems is what they thrive in. The Zone is what the Euros have been playing for decades prior to 2002

That's why in the 90s, you rarely see that much Euro players besides Tony Kukoc, Detlef Schrempf, and Drazen Petrovic

No, it doesn't take the efficiency out of big men. It has forced big men to become more skilled which is why we are having a big man resurgence, today you either play inside out or you are an athletic rim running P&R finisher and elite rebounder.


Karl Anthony-Towns
Joel Embiid
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
Kristaps Porzingis
Nikola Jokic
Myles Turner

These are all players 25 and under who play inside and out and zone has not taken away their effectiveness. They can all shoot, rebound, handle, pass, and post at above average levels. Having versatile big men like this and having bigs who can hit from 15 feet out opens up the floor and leads to better basketball, better ball movement, more efficient offenses, smarter shots.

No, white non-athletic players can't drive the ball because zone leads to better help defense. I'd like to know who are these non-athletic white players who are elite slashers because of zone defense. Breh, you're grasping for straws it literally makes no sense. It was in the 80's where you had non-athletic white boys galore many who got buckets they would not get today. Also, while many teams use zone it is not a primary defensive strategy. Teams play M2M but use pseudo zones to key in on offensive players, teams play a lot more help defense.

This is your problem you masquerade as a basketball purist but you really aren't. All you seem to care about is 1-on-1 isolation basketball and star play you could care less about who is on a roster 1-12. If you don't think players aren't more skilled in terms of ball handling, shooting, I.Q. now you are delusional. The product you are glorifying was awful. That period of basketball post-Jordan, pre-LeBron breakout was the worst era in basketball history with the lowest talent pool of 450 players. You want the days of Charles Barkley backing down defenders for 10 seconds out of a shot clock and Steve Francis mixing defenders on the baseline with no double teams, you want Jerry Stackhouse shooting long two's all game averaging 25+ on 40% FG, straight individual play no team defense in a team sport.

The zone is not why we have more international players.

Basketball began globalizing in the 80's and 90's which is why we see the influx of international players. The world simply became enamored and began playing more basketball after the 1992 Olympics It's not just Euros but Canadians, Australians, and Africans as well who are bringing their talents to the NBA. I just don't see how as a "basketball fan" you can complain about a kid like Giannis Antetokoumnpo coming out of Greece, an Andrew Wiggins coming out Canada, a Joel Embiid coming out of Cameroon, a Kristaps Porzingis coming out of Latvia, a Ben Simmons coming out of Australia, a Nikola Jokic coming out of Serbia.

These nikkas are NICE, they are not destroying the basketball product.

Basically, what I get out of your thinking black players are the best one-on-one players. The league added all these rules in order to stop one-on-one play therefore stop black players and whiten the league (not even close to happening). It's funny you are putting black players in a box with this bullshyt rhetoric and supporting the white supremacist logic of cacs like Phil Jackson who label black players as "flashy" and "selfish".

How about we stop making trivial shyt like this about race?

 

[ISO]

it was after like 10 games, it wasn't sustained throughout the whole season, but I fondly remember that and I always laugh at advanced analytics people because of it.

Be a moron brehs, don't understand sample size. At 1 point per game and 2 rebounds, Nick Collison would not even qualify to lead the league in PER.

 

[ISO]

23 minutes per game, 8th in PER

Jesus christ it's a per minute stat, and not the end all be all of analytics. When Oden was on the floor he always showed potential and production the problem is he could never stay on the floor. Being 8th in PER doesn't make you the 8th best player in the league.

 

[#1 pick]

Zone defense allows for non athletic/less talented players to defend talented players

Steve Kerr actually alluded to this on that NBA TV Open Court show, and had an argument with Steve Smith about it. Kerr admitted that less talented people benefited, and Steve Smith was like "Well then they don't belong in the league then"

And idk how you're assuming Analytics makes someone smarter. But white coaches use it more than black coaches, and it's a way to not hire black coaches as an excuse that "they just aren't up with the times". Analytics also can inflate a average white player's stats to bring more of them to the league. Similar to how they overrate Draymond Green's impact on the Warriors

Naw homie, those stats are good. The way of the 90s was stupid.

 

[Mr. McDowell]

The NBA is still 75-80% black. Even the foreign players are filled with blacks or bi-racials (Giannis, Embiid, Simmons, Exum, Gobert, Diaw, Batum, Tony Parker, Seraphin, Mahinmi, Patty Mills, Ibaka, Mudiay, Labissierre, Wiggins, Lyles, Thon Maker, Buddy Hield, Cristiano Felicio, Nogueira, Caboclo, Barbosa, Mbah a Moute, Siakim, Tristan Thompson, Dwight Powell, Jamal Murray, Tyler Ennis, Cory Joseph, Biyombo, Horford, Ajinca, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Schroder, Chieck Diallo, Ezeli, Ndour, Dieng, Deng, Sefolosha, Bolomboy, Capela

42 foreign black players. White Americans are struggling, because the black and white foreign players are better than them as well. We already know the truth about the American brothas.

 

[ISO]

Zone defense allows for non athletic/less talented players to defend talented players

Steve Kerr actually alluded to this on that NBA TV Open Court show, and had an argument with Steve Smith about it. Kerr admitted that less talented people benefited, and Steve Smith was like "Well then they don't belong in the league then"

And idk how you're assuming Analytics makes someone smarter. But white coaches use it more than black coaches, and it's a way to not hire black coaches as an excuse that "they just aren't up with the times". Analytics also can inflate a average white player's stats to bring more of them to the league. Similar to how they overrate Draymond Green's impact on the Warriors

Draymond is not a fukking average player my god.

He's basically Anthony Mason with the ability to knock down threes. An undersized 4 capable of defending multiple positions at an elite level, handling the ball, and making plays for others.

Again you are enamored with volume scoring and one-on-one basketball period.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

What the hell you basing that on?

There ain't ONE Michael Redd-like player who is dominating right now. Why would Michael Redd be doing any better than, say, Eric Gordon?


Individual talent is FAR better now than it ever was, because the talent pool is far better. Players have better jumpers, better ball-handling skills, better passing, better basketball IQ, and play better defense. It's because kids start playing basketball earlier, they're taught skills earlier, they have more previous generations to learn shyt from, and there's a far bigger pool of talent to choose from.

Back in the Magic/Bird era, they were playing against guys who grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when the jump shot was only first being invented and Steph's crossover would have looked like devil's magic. But you probably think the talent was better because magic era dust.

 

[I.V.]

it was after like 10 games, it wasn't sustained throughout the whole season, but I fondly remember that and I always laugh at advanced analytics people because of it.

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