The gentrification of college basketball

[Guess Who]

The league is just now climbing out of the doldrums of the inefficient, iso-heavy 2000s. Nowadays, the league is all about ball movement, pinpoint shooting, efficiency, and teamwork. And the league is much better as a result.

You're complaining about players not playing enough pickup ball? Everyone just wants to go one-on-one in pickup games.

I agree and disagree with you. The play style of the games has improved in some aspects, particularly with more players having good jump shots, but the individual talent isn't close to what it was in the previous era. Guys like Michael Redd who were fringe all-stars in the previous era would dominate in this era of basketball. The individual talent isn't as good as it used to be, especially in regard to low ball iq, uncreative guard play and big men who are masquerading around trying to be guards who don't understand how to do anything in the paint on offense or defense. The result is the league isn't as compelling to watch even though the scores are higher and the analytics tell a story of a more efficient game.

 

[luvaznpoon]

I agree and disagree with you. The play style of the games has improved in some aspects, particularly with more players having good jump shots, but the individual talent isn't close to what it was in the previous era. Guys like Michael Redd who were fringe all-stars in the previous era would dominate in this era of basketball. The individual talent isn't as good as it used to be, especially in regard to low ball iq, uncreative guard play and big men who are masquerading around trying to be guards who don't understand how to do anything in the paint on offense or defense. The result is the league isn't as compelling to watch even though the scores are higher and the analytics tell a story of a more efficient game.

 

[ISO]

Yup, they are gentrifying it to create a landscape to have more American white athletes to play the game

Hence the rise of Zone defense, Analytics, and highly structured system offenses

Yet the league has less white American players than ever...

You think this is just an elaborate racist scheme to be cac friendly , you in arms because shytty coaches like Mark Jackson who happens to be black gets fired lol.

Get a grip breh every NBA team uses analytics at the coaching or executive level whether black or white. Oh, and analytics have been used longer than you think. +/- been tracked since the 80's, scouting reports in the 90's were already numerically breaking down player hot zones and tendencies. Your problem is you don't understand most analytics or their purpose. You used the calculus analogy again when nikkas already destroyed your analogy and ridiculed you for not even understanding calculus.

You are literally the stubborn old head you are dead wrong.

 

[ISO]

I agree and disagree with you. The play style of the games has improved in some aspects, particularly with more players having good jump shots, but the individual talent isn't close to what it was in the previous era. Guys like Michael Redd who were fringe all-stars in the previous era would dominate in this era of basketball. The individual talent isn't as good as it used to be, especially in regard to low ball iq, uncreative guard play and big men who are masquerading around trying to be guards who don't understand how to do anything in the paint on offense or defense. The result is the league isn't as compelling to watch even though the scores are higher and the analytics tell a story of a more efficient game.

 

[GunRanger]

Didn't the NY times debunk the myth that NBA players come from poor households?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I agree and disagree with you. The play style of the games has improved in some aspects, particularly with more players having good jump shots, but the individual talent isn't close to what it was in the previous era. Guys like Michael Redd who were fringe all-stars in the previous era would dominate in this era of basketball. The individual talent isn't as good as it used to be, especially in regard to low ball iq, uncreative guard play and big men who are masquerading around trying to be guards who don't understand how to do anything in the paint on offense or defense. The result is the league isn't as compelling to watch even though the scores are higher and the analytics tell a story of a more efficient game.

What the hell you basing that on?

There ain't ONE Michael Redd-like player who is dominating right now. Why would Michael Redd be doing any better than, say, Eric Gordon?


Individual talent is FAR better now than it ever was, because the talent pool is far better. Players have better jumpers, better ball-handling skills, better passing, better basketball IQ, and play better defense. It's because kids start playing basketball earlier, they're taught skills earlier, they have more previous generations to learn shyt from, and there's a far bigger pool of talent to choose from.

Back in the Magic/Bird era, they were playing against guys who grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when the jump shot was only first being invented and Steph's crossover would have looked like devil's magic. But you probably think the talent was better because magic era dust.

 

[Kemba]

Guess Who takin all the L's

 

[Big Boss]

 

[UpAndComing]

Yet the league has less white American players than ever...

You think this is just an elaborate racist scheme to be cac friendly , you in arms because shytty coaches like Mark Jackson who happens to be black gets fired lol.

Get a grip breh every NBA team uses analytics at the coaching or executive level whether black or white. Oh, and analytics have been used longer than you think. +/- been tracked since the 80's, scouting reports in the 90's were already numerically breaking down player hot zones and tendencies. Your problem is you don't understand most analytics or their purpose. You used the calculus analogy again when nikkas already destroyed your analogy and ridiculed you for not even understanding calculus.

You are literally the stubborn old head you are dead wrong.

A history of the "end" & evolution of NBA big men

In 2001, the league put an end to the illegal defense rule and allowed teams to implement zone defenses. The move was designed to promote more scoring + movement and cut down on isolation plays. The move was designed to slow big men like Shaquille O'Neal down, but Shaq was still able to dominate before injuries slowed him down. The rule change led to big men facing up more often than playing with their backs to the basket

Though NBA players have gotten bigger in the past few decades, the big men haven't gotten better. As the North American game revolves more and more around the highlight reel plays -- slashing drives to the basket, long-bomb three-pointers, and of course, the dunk -- the classic elements of the centre's traditional game have faded. The quick drop-step, the consistent jump hook, the dancer's chart of correct post footwork -- none of those tend to make the evening news

What Zone defense/offense does is take out the effectiveness of the Big man. The big man is there because the has the most advantage on the court, take out the Big man, now there is an equal playing field. And easier ways to score if the Big man is behind the 3 point line waiting to take a shot
Now you see way more open lanes, way more non athletic average players who can now drive the ball with ease without a dominant force near the basket that's in your way. Less post defense = More easy offense

Also, when a system takes away ISO plays, you're taking away stars. What brainwashed fans don't realize is that the exact definition of a Star is to have plays called for you

The Zone system started in 2002. Now you see the concerted effort to bring more non-black players to limit the percentage of Black players
Evidently, their efforts haven't made a big splash because Black people are just more talented. But the system is there for non-blacks to thrive

Why do you think after like 2001, you started seeing more and more Euro ball players? Because Zone systems is what they thrive in. The Zone is what the Euros have been playing for decades prior to 2002

That's why in the 90s, you rarely see that much Euro players besides Tony Kukoc, Detlef Schrempf, and Drazen Petrovic

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Yup, they are gentrifying it to create a landscape to have more American white athletes to play the game

Hence the rise of Zone defense, Analytics, and highly structured system offenses

Lol ok let's not od.

 

[the cool]

Man I was gonna make a similar thread on this last year but forgot. I was gonna say why all these kids talk like uncle toms now? This was when I was watching the McDonald's all American game. Like all these ballislife and hoopmixtape kids speak so proper

 

[Dark Horse]

Well personally, I think Analytics is pure bullshyt

Which I can assume the experienced Black coaches also think so, which is why they don't employ it
Raw stats can tell the story pretty well actually. I also like cross reference stats too, like how many points allowed against West Conf teams, or how many ppg James Harden scores against the Cavs, etc etc. To me, those are pretty good in painting a picture on how a coach can adjust to make his players and team more successful, and what to emphasize on, so they can improve

Analytics is extremely flawed, because those Stats are calculated in the moment, have have no bearing on how that person is doing overall, and has no bearing on the many factors that influence those analytics. It's similar to Calculus. It's cool to calculate what's happening instantaneously, but it applies nothing to the real world. I took a couple Statistics classes before. Influential factors can change alot of things. For instance someone's + / - of a player depends alot on who's on the floor with him, how talented is the person he's guarding and scoring against, the pace of the game, is someone in foul trouble and not giving it 100%, is someone injured/hobbled, how good is the floor spacing, etc etc. It can go on and on. And just like the nature of Statistics, you can manipulate the numbers to fit any narrative you want

And to the bolded... perfect example of the propaganda of the pre Zone defense/offense era likes to say. The highly structured system offense highlights average players. If you're a star, YOU WILL HAVE ISO PLAYS CALLED FOR YOU. That's basically what being a star means. shyt, even a post up by a center is basically an isolation play

Lol. Analytics does the exact opposite of what you said. It can track statistical data over time to reveal trends that would've otherwise not been realized. Example...coaches for years knew that running hard practices the day before games was bad for teams' energy level on game day. Well analytics quantifies how much is too much, and validates the thought. In fact, it can give coaches an idea of the right amount of exertion without affecting gameday energy levels. People think that analytics is some scary set of data that somehow invalidates coaches' instincts and institutional knowledge...oftentimes it validates and quantifies it.

And finally, Calculus is defined as the mathematical study of continuous change (i.e. time). It's used EVERYWHERE.

Analytics puts all of those factors together in order to inform the best combinations of lineups...it doesn't somehow hinder those statistics. It's kind of funny to me that you'd say...'well these statistics are tried and true...but combine them to inform decision making and they're just gibberish.'

 

[mastermind]

What Zone defense/offense does is take out the effectiveness of the Big man. The big man is there because the has the most advantage on the court, take out the Big man, now there is an equal playing field. And easier ways to score if the Big man is behind the 3 point line waiting to take a shot
Now you see way more open lanes, way more non athletic average players who can now drive the ball with ease without a dominant force near the basket that's in your way. Less post defense = More easy offense

Also, when a system takes away ISO plays, you're taking away stars. What brainwashed fans don't realize is that the exact definition of a Star is to have plays called for you

do you actually watch the NBA, breh?

There are A LOT OF big men in the league today who can bang inside and out.

Why do you think after like 2001, you started seeing more and more Euro ball players? Because Zone systems is what they thrive in. The Zone is what the Euros have been playing for decades prior to 2002

That's why in the 90s, you rarely see that much Euro players besides Tony Kukoc, Detlef Schrempf, and Drazen Petrovic

this may be the poorest explanation of why you see more euros in the NBA, EVER! And what makes it worse is you see it as a detriment.

Please stop talking about the NBA.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Zone defense allows for non athletic/less talented players to defend talented players

Steve Kerr actually alluded to this on that NBA TV Open Court show, and had an argument with Steve Smith about it. Kerr admitted that less talented people benefited, and Steve Smith was like "Well then they don't belong in the league then"

And idk how you're assuming Analytics makes someone smarter. But white coaches use it more than black coaches, and it's a way to not hire black coaches as an excuse that "they just aren't up with the times". Analytics also can inflate a average white player's stats to bring more of them to the league. Similar to how they overrate Draymond Green's impact on the Warriors

I remember (when PER was new) Nick Collison led the league in PER and Lebron was 2nd

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

The league is just now climbing out of the doldrums of the inefficient, iso-heavy 2000s. Nowadays, the league is all about ball movement, pinpoint shooting, efficiency, and teamwork. And the league is much better as a result.

You're complaining about players not playing enough pickup ball? Everyone just wants to go one-on-one in pickup games.

The league is soft as shyt, it is NOT better