So would you consider Israeli Jews "African"?
The Elephant In the Racialised Room: The Conundrum of Black-Arabness
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So would you consider Israeli Jews "African"?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
"I'm Arab."
isnt that one of the rebels fighting the arabized sudanese?
yea
I forget his name is Pagan something
but he is a Southern Sudanese with GOSS (Governmet of South Sudan)
I don't know why that pic and caption was put together like that
Imyremeshaw
كن التغير الذي تريد أن تراه في العالم
Modern day, no I dont consider Israelis as African, as their mindset and allegiances are clearly tied to the West. Judaism is clearly an extension of Egypt Ideals, so its African in origin. But Hebrews(from all 12 tribes of Israel, mix multitue of people, Jews are from the Kingdom of Judah) I consider to be African descendant, and archaelogy history of that area points to that imho.
You said you don't believe that Israelis are African, because of mind-set and allegiances being clearly tied to the wet. ok fine. Well I can say I don't believe Arabs are African because of mindset and allegiances being clearly tied to the East.
Humanity originated in Africa so everyone can technically be linked back if you go far back enough
Imyremeshaw
كن التغير الذي تريد أن تراه في العالم
Agreed!
I never tried to run game, reread what I originally wrote. I said in ANCIENT TIMES ARABIA USE TO BE CONSIDERED PART of AFRICA, which part of that is untrue? I don't believe Arabs to be Africans today, I never argued that point, just like I don't consider modern day Egyptians to be representative of Old Kingdom Egyptians, or modern Americans representatives of Native Americans. Populations change
The revelation of Islam came to Arabs because of their backwardsness( even a word, lol) which they continue today, I've had more interaction with Arabs then most people in this thread combined, I know them in and out.
@ YomamaDisDikk
your clearly being disengenous
How was Arabia part of Africa during ancient times?
considered by whom?
was this a consensus?
it what way?
geographically
culturally
your not really going into detail
your clearly being disengenous
How was Arabia part of Africa during ancient times?
considered by whom?
was this a consensus?
it what way?
geographically
culturally
your not really going into detail
Imyremeshaw
كن التغير الذي تريد أن تراه في العالم
The thing is that, when I speak about Arabs, I mean Qahtan Arabs( for lack of a better word, true Arabs), most people from North Africa, Palestine, Kuwait, North Arabia outside of the Levantine were not considered Arabs in ancient times.
Medieval Arab genealogists divided Arabs into three groups:
1) "Ancient Arabs", tribes that had vanished or been destroyed, such as ʿĀd and Thamud, often mentioned in the Qur'an as examples of God's power to destroy those who did not believe and follow their prophets and messengers.
All contemporary Arabs were considered as descended from the later two, groups with the ancestors, Qahtan and Adnan.
2) Qahtan "Pure Arabs" of South Arabia, descending from Qahtan.
The Qahtanites (Qahtanis) are said to have migrated from the land of Yemen following the destruction of the Ma'rib Dam (sadd Ma'rib). Semitic peoples either originating in, or claiming genealogical descent from the southern extent of the Arabian Peninsula, especially from Yemen
3) Adnanite
The "Arabized Arabs" (musta`ribah) of center and North Arabia, descending from Ishmael the elder son of Abraham. Adnan is the traditional ancestor of the Adnanite Arabs of Northern, Western and Central-Western Arabia,According to tradition, Adnan is the father of a group of the Ishmaelite Arabs who inhabited West and Northern Arabia. Adnan is believed by Arab genealogies to be the father of many Ishmaelite tribes along the Western coast of Arabia, Northern Arabia and Iraq .
When I speak about Arabs in ancient times, the Qahtan Arabs are the group Im referring to. Anybody can be Arab if their forefather(which is why sudanese people, and alot north African people consider themselves Arab, by that definition Im Arab and I look like Chris Brown
), or they are native speaker of Arabic.Having said that there is multitude of sources that show the connections of Arabia and Africa;
-Linguistics(Afro-Asiatic)
-Axum and Sabeans
-Al-Jahiz
-Others, just do some damn research its alot on the net.
While the researchers detected no African genetic signatures in Northern European populations, they found a distinct presence of African ancestry in Southern European, Middle Eastern and Jewish populations. Modern southern European groups can attribute about 1 to 3 percent of their genetic signature to African ancestry, with the intermingling of populations dating back 55 generations, on average -- that is, to roughly 1,600 years ago. Middle Eastern groups have inherited about 4 to 15 percent, with the mixing of populations dating back roughly 32 generations. A diverse array of Jewish populations can date their Sub-Saharan African ancestry back roughly 72 generations, on average, accounting for 3 to 5 percent of their genetic makeup today. The older-mixture dates among African and Jewish populations are consistent with events in biblical times, such as the Jewish diaspora that occurred in 8th to 6th century BC.
The thing is that, when I speak about Arabs, I mean Qahtan Arabs( for lack of a better word, true Arabs), most people from North Africa, Palestine, Kuwait, North Arabia outside of the Levantine were not considered Arabs in ancient times.
Medieval Arab genealogists divided Arabs into three groups:
1) "Ancient Arabs", tribes that had vanished or been destroyed, such as ʿĀd and Thamud, often mentioned in the Qur'an as examples of God's power to destroy those who did not believe and follow their prophets and messengers.
All contemporary Arabs were considered as descended from the later two, groups with the ancestors, Qahtan and Adnan.
2) Qahtan "Pure Arabs" of South Arabia, descending from Qahtan.
The Qahtanites (Qahtanis) are said to have migrated from the land of Yemen following the destruction of the Ma'rib Dam (sadd Ma'rib). Semitic peoples either originating in, or claiming genealogical descent from the southern extent of the Arabian Peninsula, especially from Yemen
3) Adnanite
The "Arabized Arabs" (musta`ribah) of center and North Arabia, descending from Ishmael the elder son of Abraham. Adnan is the traditional ancestor of the Adnanite Arabs of Northern, Western and Central-Western Arabia,According to tradition, Adnan is the father of a group of the Ishmaelite Arabs who inhabited West and Northern Arabia. Adnan is believed by Arab genealogies to be the father of many Ishmaelite tribes along the Western coast of Arabia, Northern Arabia and Iraq .
When I speak about Arabs in ancient times, the Qahtan Arabs are the group Im referring to. Anybody can be Arab if their forefather(which is why sudanese people, and alot north African people consider themselves Arab, by that definition Im Arab and I look like Chris Brown
Having said that there is multitude of sources that show the connections of Arabia and Africa;
-Linguistics(Afro-Asiatic)
-Axum and Sabeans
-Al-Jahiz
-Others, just do some damn research its alot on the net.
I'm aware of the difference between Qahtani and Adnani Arabs. I hope you don't feel like your schooling people.
1. Arabic is in fact classified as an Afro-Asiatic/Afrasan language. But the branch that it belongs was developed in Asia (along with Syriac, and Hebrew). The Arabic language is not indigenous to the African continent.
2. The Sabeans were Yemeni and they are only connected to certain Ethiopian groups who back migrated into Ethiopia from the Middle East/Arabia.
3. You seem to be using Al Jahiz as some sort of authority on authentic Africaness. He is not African and by knowledge never visited the continent. He lived and died in Arabia. That's all he knew and that's all he was (Arabian)
4. There is no research to do, you seem intent on trying to pass off Arabs as African people probably in an attempt to fix your own identity crisis.
lastly, as I have said already technically everyone has African roots as that is where humanity began. So you can literally trace all the Out of African migrants back to Africa. Arabs having "African origins" means squat. Get it, got it, good.
Recent African origin of modern humans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In paleoanthropology, the recent African origin of modern humans, frequently dubbed the "Out of Africa" theory, is the most widely accepted model describing the geographic origin and early migration of anatomically modern humans
The recent single origin of modern humans in [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Africa']East Africa is the predominant position held within the scientific community.[6][7][8][9][10] There are differing theories on whether there was a single exodus or several. A multiple dispersal model involves the Southern Dispersal theory,[11] which has gained support in recent years from genetic, linguistic and archaeological evidence. A growing number of researchers also suspect that "long-neglected North Africa" was the original home of the modern humans who first trekked out of the continent.[/URL]
During an internship i had a Chinese and a Arab partner.
Once we got comfortable with each other , like midway through, I started asking them about what kind of females they like and so on..
Both said their parents would be beyond upset if they didn't marry into their own race or white( of course) .
But what really trip's me out was both cultures ( their family ) agreed that blacks are, and i quote, " lowest/dumbest race " . the second lowest/dumbest was Mexican.
It Hurt.
Once we got comfortable with each other , like midway through, I started asking them about what kind of females they like and so on..
Both said their parents would be beyond upset if they didn't marry into their own race or white( of course) .
But what really trip's me out was both cultures ( their family ) agreed that blacks are, and i quote, " lowest/dumbest race " . the second lowest/dumbest was Mexican.
It Hurt.
in this world there is a racial hierarchy and people of Black/African descent are at the bottom.
I always thought you was a troll. First off you can't tell another Muslim that he isn't a Muslim. That's not up to you to decide or judge. You can't make kuffur on some one.I'm sorry but you're no Muslim if you dislike a brother because of their nationality or race. You are just like the people you dislike. I already explained why the Arab racism exists today. I'm from America
Also fukk your explanation. Exactly like you said. You are from America you have never been to them parts of the world or spent long amounts of time with those people.
You think the gulf Nations don't treat their own native people well? They pay them and give them housing and the best jobs. They continue to pay them while they are abroad. I don't know what you are talking about.
Secondly Morrocans are Arab, why you in here talking about how you had a good time in Arab countries. Offcourse you wouldn't have faced any racism, since you are a fellow AYRAB!! Your arguments are useless here.
