The Case For Reparations by Tanehisi Coates

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it's not really comparable to israel because lots of jews "had the receipts" therefore they were able to make genuine claims in court. Also keep in mind all of that happened within 100 years therefore many claims for lost property or whatever could be verified. There is a doc called "the rape of europa" that is pretty interesting and shows how lots of material and property value was stolen from jewish families, lots of art and family heirloom type items that were worth lots of money. People were turning on jews left and right pillaging their shyt.
 

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it's not really comparable to israel because lots of jews "had the receipts" therefore they were able to make genuine claims in court. Also keep in mind all of that happened within 100 years therefore many claims for lost property or whatever could be verified. There is a doc called "the rape of europa" that is pretty interesting and shows how lots of material and property value was stolen from jewish families, lots of art and family heirloom type items that were worth lots of money. People were turning on jews left and right pillaging their shyt.
don't worry we can make up receipts too:manny:
 

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don't worry we can make up receipts too:manny:
It's not made up. You see all those old pictures of racist graffiti on jewish storefronts, there was lots of jewish businesses in europe that people lost. People owned lots of land and personal items, houses, cars, jewellery, art etc. that they could account for because in lots of places they were just normal citizens until the people flipped on them.
 

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It's not made up. You see all those old pictures of racist graffiti on jewish storefronts, there was lots of jewish businesses in europe that people lost. People owned lots of land and personal items, houses, cars, jewellery, art etc. that they could account for because in lots of places they were just normal citizens until the people flipped on them.
it's cool, we got that too broski:youthink:
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His response to all of the rebuttals: The Radical Practicality of Reparations - Ta-Nehisi Coates - The Atlantic

At the very moment that Shaler was disowning American responsibility for enslavement, there were thousands, perhaps millions, of freedman alive as well as their enslavers. It had barely been twenty years since enslavement was abolished. It had not been ten years since the rout of Reconstruction. In that time, sensible claims for reparations were being made. The black activist Callie House argued that pensions should be paid to freedmen and freedwomen for unpaid toil. The movement garnered Congressional support. But it failed, largely because, the country believed as Shaler did, that "none of the men of this century" were "responsible."

A similar moment finds us now. Even if one feels that slavery was too far into the deep past (and I do not, because I view this as a continuum) the immediate past is with us. Identifying the victims of racist housing policy in this country is not hard. Again, we have the maps. We have census. We could set up a claims system for black veterans who were frustrated in their attempt to use the G.I. Bill. We could then decide what remedy we might offer these people and their communities. And there is nothing "impractical" about this.

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it's cool, we got that too broski:youthink:
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This would be a legit complaint for the people who owned the places there but obviously you couldn't use an event in NC to make a case for reparations for all black people. Also in court there is going to have to be documentation on who actually owned the stuff to find out who actually deserves payment. You could investigate one of these riots in the early 19th century and maybe find out non black people owned the city or the town infrastructure and land so the people requiring payment for lost or damaged goods could end up being white. So it's not really comparable to israel, i think a lot of black people who compare it just don't understand the issue properly, they think that jews got money just because they were jews, when they actually got money because of loss of documented property and goods. There were even riots in israel against reparations because apparently many jewish people felt like they would be forgiving the Germans if they accepted the money.
 

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This would be a legit complaint for the people who owned the places there but obviously you couldn't use an event in NC to make a case for reparations for all black people.
absolutely I can
because of the pervasive racism, the lot of all black people were tied to any black person, if one lack person loses a business all black people within his purview were affected given the racism limited scope of employment and business venturing
all black folks were affected
the examples of lynching, loss of opportunity and property destruction are everywhere in the US and affected all the following generations

and like I said we can get receipts too:sas1:
 

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By Jazelle Hunt
NNPA Washington Correspondent


WASHINGTON (NNPA) – Victims who were sterilized in North Carolina between 1929 and 1974 – approximately 7,600 people – have until the end of June to file a claim with the state, according to government officials.

This month marks the final push to identify victims and their families, who will receive reparations in June 2015 from a $10 million fund. North Carolina is not the first state to publicly acknowledge this practice, but it will be the first state to offer compensation for it.

Currently, the state estimates that close to 3,000 victims, born in or before 1961, may still be alive.

“We honestly don’t know how many [Black Americans] were victims, we’re still subpoenaing records, talking to people, and sharing with others as the data comes in,” says Hilary O. Shelton, NAACP Washington Bureau director and senior vice president for Advocacy and Policy. “But, we’re very clear that for the victims, and families of the victims, justice needs to be served.”

North Carolina’s state legislature established the North Carolina Eugenics Board in 1933 to oversee sterilizations of inmates and mental patients at public institutions. It was the only state to allow social workers to petition the board to have their clients sterilized. Additionally, more than 70 percent of North Carolina’s sterilizations occurred after 1945, unlike most programs, which distanced themselves from eugenics after World War II.

“The first publicly-funded birth control was in the South, and it was intended to reduce the Black birth rate,” says Dorothy Roberts, reproductive rights scholar and professor of African American studies, law, and sociology at the University of Pennsylvania. “In North Carolina…initially most of those sterilized on orders of the Board were [mentally disabled] White people, but eventually it targeted predominantly Black women receiving public assistance.”

According to Roberts, Black women went into state-run hospitals and clinics for routine procedures or births, and unknowingly signed documents authorizing their sterilization (sometimes during labor); gave consent after being deliberately misinformed; consented under the threat of losing social services; or were simply sterilized without their knowledge, in addition to the intended procedure. Doctors were compensated for the procedures through state funding (i.e., taxpayer money).

“During slavery, Black women were coerced into having children who were mere property of White men. So their own reproductive decisions have been devalued and regulated since times of slavery,” Roberts says. “This preceded eugenics, but I argue that that familiarity…provided fertile ground for eugenics in the United States.”

The practice of compulsory sterilization was part of a global eugenics movement which the United States pioneered (and from which the Nazis drew inspiration). The theory was that people considered irreparably inferior – such as disabled people, people of color, poor women who already had children, and some convicts – should be barred from having children for the good of society.

The U.S. Supreme Court reinforced the practice in 1927 with its Buck v. Bell ruling. According to the court’s majority opinion, “It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.”

There were 33 states that had eugenic boards and/or compulsory sterilization laws on the books. In some states, these laws and government bodies still existed until recently. Oregon, for example, abolished its eugenics board (which was largely concerned with the mentally disabled) in 1983. North Carolina’s General Assembly formally repealed its last remaining involuntary sterilization law in 2003.

“It’s still part of public policy, even though they don’t expressly say that,” says Roberts. As an example, she points to the policy that welfare recipients are denied additional benefits if they have additional children. “To me, that’s based in the eugenics ideology that certain people’s childbearing causes social problems, therefore the state should deter them from having babies.”

Another example resurfaced this month when California’s Senate approved a bill to ban its prisons and jails from sterilizing inmates (except in life-threatening situations, or as necessary treatment for another physical condition, with inmate consent). The legislation was in response to an investigation conducted last year, which found that nearly 150 women had been sterilized in two California prisons without state approval, often under coercion or deception. Most of the surgeries, which occurred between 2006 and 2010, were attributed to one physician, Dr. James Heinrich, who has a long list of violations.

“I do believe most Americans are not aware this even happened. Most people who truly believe in the promise of America could not conceive of our government and government officials being involved in something like this,” Shelton says, adding that he is aware of similar investigations beginning in Alabama, and other states. “I think most people will support the victims. As more people learn about this, we will see more outrage.”

(The deadline for filing a claim with the North Carolina Office of Justice for Sterilization Victims for compensation is June 30.

The Charlotte-Mecklenberg County chapter of the NAACP is offering free help filing claims on Thursday, June 5 from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Little Rock AME Zion Church, (located at 401 N McDowell St. in downtown Charlotte); and again on Thursday, June 12 from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. at New Ahoskie Baptist Church (located at 401 Hayes St. E in Ahoskie, NC).

If you believe you or a relative may have been sterilized in accordance with North Carolina Eugenics Board policies, call the information line at 1-877-550-6013 (toll free in North Carolina) or 919-807-4270. You can also file a claim and view additional information online at NCDOA > NC Office of Justice for Sterilization Victims

Reparations for North Carolina Sterilization Victims
 

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Good thread everytime the conversation of reperations is brought up I think of that Dave Chapelle skit. The reality is better neighborhoods and schools is enough for our future generation and cash for people directly affected by jim crow.
 

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I read the thread and didn't see anyone mentioning David Frum. He's the senior editor at the Atlantic and has engaged Coates in a short debate over the feasibility of reparations.

This is his response to the first essay. The one this thread is about.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/the-impossibility-of-reparations/372041/

To which Coates responded with
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/the-radical-practicality-of-reparations/372114/

Today Frum delivered his closing remarks
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/the-elusive-specificity-of-reparations/372255/

personally found it interesting :manny:
 
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