The Case For Reparations by Tanehisi Coates

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Israel's economy was almost entirely built & sustained via 35 Billion dollars in reparation money paid to them by Germany as well as 150 Billion+ paid to them by the U.S. & U.K. Two countries that had nothing to do with their alleged holocaust. But ironically we have a Jew in this thread poo poo'ing on the idea of blacks being recompensed for 100's of years of targeted systematic disenfranchisement and state sponsored terrorism... from the same government that gave his people 150 Billion dollars for no good goddamn reason :childplease:
 

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In 1951, Israeli authorities made a claim to the four powers occupying post-war Germany regarding compensation and reimbursement. It was deemed necessary by the Israeli government to receive reparations as they had absorbed 500,000 Holocaust survivors despite economic problems including high unemployment and scarce foreign currency reserves following the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. It was calculated the absorption had cost the country $3,000 per person and the total losses from Jewish property taken by the Nazis was worth $6 billion.

There was great opposition to the signing the agreement from both ends of the Israeli political spectrum. Regardless, the Mapai party and its leader David Ben-Gurion agreed to take a practical approach and accepted the reparations agreement in the hope of sustaining the country's struggling economy. Just one year later, the president of the World Jewish Congress and co-chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, Nahum Goldman, held a meeting in New York with 23 major Jewish and international organizations to discuss the Jews' material claim against West Germany. The negotiations eventually led to the Reparation Agreement beginning in March 1952 and being finally signed on September 10, 1952 in Luxembourg.

Over the next 14 years, West Germany paid Israel a total of three billion Marks, with 450 million Marks also being paid to the World Jewish Congress. The money was invested in establishing the country's economy and the reparations amounted to 87.5 percent its income in 1956.

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Between 1953 and 1992, the Federal Republic of (West) Germany paid out more than $35 billion in reparations to the Zionist state and to millions of individual "victims of National Socialism."

West Germany's Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry
 
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i agree that some sort of reparations are owed

but the obvious obstacles imo is that you would have to verify who actually descended from the slaves who did the work. and then the reparations would have to come from those who benefited from the work (and yea, i know the country as a whole did)

for example, my ancestors got off the boat in 1900. i dont owe anyone a fukkin cent of my money, regarding reparations from slavery. i dont even have any money that was passed down

If you're white and living in America, you owe reparations. Regardless if your family descended from slaveholders or immigrated to this country after slavery "ended."
 

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If you're white and living in America, you owe reparations. Regardless if your family descended from slaveholders or immigrated to this country after slavery "ended."
i disagree

benefiting from the white power structure is one thing, owing anyone reparations directly is another. and even if you want to make the argument that the federal government owes reparations, which can very well be made, i wont be convinced that I personally owe anyone shyt

and for the record theres a long list of things that the government spends my tax money on, that i would vote to send toward reparations before the shyt theyre spending it on. because like i said, it is due, in some way
 

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In 1951, Israeli authorities made a claim to the four powers occupying post-war Germany regarding compensation and reimbursement. It was deemed necessary by the Israeli government to receive reparations as they had absorbed 500,000 Holocaust survivors despite economic problems including high unemployment and scarce foreign currency reserves following the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. It was calculated the absorption had cost the country $3,000 per person and the total losses from Jewish property taken by the Nazis was worth $6 billion.

There was great opposition to the signing the agreement from both ends of the Israeli political spectrum. Regardless, the Mapai party and its leader David Ben-Gurion agreed to take a practical approach and accepted the reparations agreement in the hope of sustaining the country's struggling economy. Just one year later, the president of the World Jewish Congress and co-chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, Nahum Goldman, held a meeting in New York with 23 major Jewish and international organizations to discuss the Jews' material claim against West Germany. The negotiations eventually led to the Reparation Agreement beginning in March 1952 and being finally signed on September 10, 1952 in Luxembourg.

Over the next 14 years, West Germany paid Israel a total of three billion Marks, with 450 million Marks also being paid to the World Jewish Congress. The money was invested in establishing the country's economy and the reparations amounted to 87.5 percent its income in 1956.

List of books and articles about Holocaust Reparations | Questia Online Research Library





Between 1953 and 1992, the Federal Republic of (West) Germany paid out more than $35 billion in reparations to the Zionist state and to millions of individual "victims of National Socialism."

West Germany's Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry

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Add another coin in my piggy bank of hatred.
That's no reason to hate Israel. If anything, that's an example of the type of compensation African-Americans should have been given. It's like when people hate on unionized workers because they don't have the same benefits. Advocate for similar benefits instead of hating on those who have them.
 

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That's no reason to hate Israel. If anything, that's an example of the type of compensation African-Americans should have been given. It's like when people hate on unionized workers because they don't have the same benefits. Advocate for similar benefits instead of hating on those who have them.

No, it'd be like unionized workers getting benefits at the expense of those people.
 

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No, it'd be like unionized workers getting benefits at the expense of those people.
No. Anyhow,

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If you have a quiet hour over the long weekend, read Ta-Nehisi Coates' epic new Atlantic cover story on the case for reparations, even if (especially if) you're put off by the headline.

Coates, who won a National Magazine Award last year for his essay on race in the Obama era -- "Fear of a Black President" -- looks back much further into history in this one. But the most compelling parts of his argument don't come out of the antebellum chapters of American history (although you will find few writers who describe them more beautifully). They come out of the 20th century, and even more recent times, and out of the North Lawndale neighborhood on Chicago's West Side today.

For a variety of reasons -- because discrimination has grown subtler, because it's easier to talk about what happened in America "before my family came here," because we think we live on the other side of all the major civil rights victories -- we know this more recent history less well. But the consequences of 20th century racial covenants, government redlining, and predatory lending have been just as destructive for black wealth creation and investment in black neighborhoods. And these are forces that have run right up through the latest housing bubble.

The crux of Coates's argument is not just that black families have gone uncompensated for labor that was taken from their great-great-grandparents 200 years ago in a crime for which no one remains to be punished today. The real indictment lies in what's happened since, in the active engineering of disadvantage seen most clearly through the modern housing market.

Coates begins his story with a middle-class black family victimized in the 1960s by the scam of buying a home in a "contract sale," a predatory arrangement that's largely been forgotten by history. Black homeowners in Chicago who could not obtain a mortgage instead found their way to "contract sellers" who sold housing at inflated prices, and then kept the deeds until the contracts were entirely paid off. Black families who aspired to the "American dream" of owning a home earned no equity in the process. Many of them lost their homes when they failed to keep up with payments that were much higher than what a white family would have paid for a mortgage on comparable housing. And contract sellers made tremendous profits in the process -- all the more when one black family was evicted and a new one came along, with a fresh down payment.

Schemes like this illustrate why homeownership has been a much more precarious prize for blacks. They also explain why the racial wealth gap remains so wide today. Wealth in America, as it's passed from one generation to the next, is intimately tied up in housing. And blacks have systematically been denied the chance the build that wealth. Just earlier this week, the Center for Global Policy Solutions released a report looking at the racial wealth gap in America today. It found that the average black household in America owns 6 cents for every dollar in wealth held by a typical white family. It found in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area that whites have a homeownership rate that's still 20 percentage points higher than blacks.


The kind of "reparations" that Coates is talking about in light of these facts is not merely about money. It's about a recognition of forces that didn't disappear with the end of slavery:

We invoke the words of Jefferson and Lincoln because they say something about our legacy and our traditions. We do this because we recognize our links to the past—at least when they flatter us. But black history does not flatter American democracy; it chastens it. The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter. Black nationalists have always perceived something unmentionable about America that integrationists dare not acknowledge—that white supremacy is not merely the work of hotheaded demagogues, or a matter of false consciousness, but a force so fundamental to America that it is difficult to imagine the country without it.

And so we must imagine a new country. Reparations—by which I mean the full acceptance of our collective biography and its consequences—is the price we must pay to see ourselves squarely.

He does not offer a number. The number is almost beside the point. What he does offer by way of solutions is a modest first step: For two decades, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) has been introducing a bill in the U.S. House of Representatives, the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act. This is, yes, just a study. The public act of conducting it might matter more than the output. These are the bill's generally inoffensive aims for such a commission:

(1) examine the institution of slavery which existed from 1619 through 1865 within the United States and the colonies that became the United States, including the extent to which the Federal and State governments constitutionally and statutorily supported the institution of slavery;

(2) examine de jure and de facto discrimination against freed slaves and their descendants from the end of the Civil War to the present, including economic, political, and social discrimination;

(3) examine the lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the discrimination described in paragraph (2) on living African Americans and on society in the United States;

(4) recommend appropriate ways to educate the American public of the Commission's findings;

(5) recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Commission's findings on the matters described in paragraphs (1) and (2); and

(6) submit to the Congress the results of such examination, together with such recommendations.

Now, is that so impossible?

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I'd say that's a good synopsis of the article for those that don't want to read.
 

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Yes but then again, you've made your silly biases well-known on this forum.
It has more to do with the fact that your analogy is off. My point was that Israel was able to get foreign governments to rectify past atrocities even when they were no longer citizens of that nation. That is not something that should be met with ire, but as a historic example of what can be considered as African-Americans advocate for what they deserve.. Your whole attempt to get into the Israel-Palestine conflict misses the point. And as for "bias", if I'm then the entire moderating staff is biased, and we're not so miss us with that dumb shyt. Taking a troll at face value makes you look kind of foolish. Anyhow, preferably you'll refrain from quoting me in the future. Back on topic.
 
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