The "Black panther wasn't that good" take is the new movie hipster line that has to be discussed

[wire28]

the only part i can agree with being ass was the fight at the end. cgi team really mailed it in there. other than that it was a brilliant , cultural bedrock. from the story to the soundtrack

random but sterling k brown was

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

I wanted to like that movie...I really did. I mean it's Ultron, he's one of the Avengers most prominent villains

But upon every rewatch it's like

- I don't like this Ultron
- The Twins (fukk Fox for this BS)
- Black Widow being some kind of...I dunno...shock collar for The Hulk

Gahhhh...I try not to think about it. So much that I even forget that shyt sometimes.

That was trash

 

[R=G]

It's a top notch movie for me..I don't go back and watch it though.

 

[Versa]

A lot of people here are white.

Also, people like to be edgy.

Also people prioritize action and it's the only area Black Panther didn't excel. It's the best MCU movie in every other category.

 

[Fanservice]

It wasn’t that good. But this is coming from someone who isn’t into comic book movies. Before Black panther, the last superhero movie I watched was the first Iron man and I thought that was mid too.

 

[Lannister]

I think my love of the film has simmered a lot since it was released. The more I think about it, the more the initial nitpicks I had grew into actual issues and gripes. Like The last act was terribly half-assed, from the war to the final battle. CGI was embarrassing.

I also compared the story to my favorite runs and issues of the comics and the film just doesn't compare. T'Challa is a fukking SAVAGE in the comics. Genius, cunning, always 2 steps ahead of his enemies. Not afraid to be an a$$hole to other heroes if need be. That wasn't the T'Challa we got. He felt way more docile and watered down.

I felt like Coogler was more interested in Killmonger, his story, and T'Challa's supporting cast instead of T'Challa himself.

Love Chadwick and thought he did great with what he was given. I had faith that things would improve with the sequel, but obviously that's out the window now.

it was like a made for tv movie quality wise with a big ass budget

I like that it had mad black people in it....thats it

Blade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I think BP is a better "Black" film than Blade. But Blade still remains one of the better examples of how a Black hero should be portrayed on screen. Complete badass, who dominates in his action sequences. With T'Challa, we only really got that fire in Civil War.

 

[OmegaK2099]

But it ain't exactly the end all be all either

 

[Monsanto]

The movie was mid. It just so happens that expectations for a good movie in the Marvel universe is quite low.

T'Challa's main issue throughout the film is getting outshines by every other character. His so-called intelligence has been completely given away and he doesn't act like someone that comes from royalty. No real presence.

The fight scenes were badly choreographed and the cgi



Worst of all is the message that was sent throughout the movie, black people don't deserve a revolution. Let them see a space ship instead and get some tech lessons for 2 weeks.

 

[MartyMcFly]

oh I didn't know this was a thing. I'm just here to see the fukkery and hurt emotions in either direction

 

[shroommon]

I'll give my controversial take on this movie . Will definitely be viewed as the unpopular opinion on this forum (though I don't visit The Film Room much anyways so who knows) ...

I'll explain on here the same way I explain to my homies why "Black Panther isn't that good of a movie"


I'll preface this by saying I only saw the movie one time , in the movie theater ,, and never saw it again . Didn't interest nor excite me to see it again ... hopefully yall won't attack or neg me for giving my opinion ,, maybe it'll help add to the discussion at hand .. (so the summary I'll be giving is off the top)



imo it was an agenda driven movie ..


1) T'Challa is the king .. but his sister is smarter than him .. all woman army , so a woman is in charge of the military branch .. plus he had to chase around Lupita Nyong'o , his love interest ,,, basically convincing her to respect his authority .. but you the King right ?



2) they had all the men of Wakanda exiled in the mountains in the tundra .. all the residents of Wakanda were women and old folk .. so if I'm to be apart of Wakanda I gotta be a lapdog or exiled into the mountains to freeze ? Where the women at for the Mountain Wakandians ? basically all the "masculine men" were viewed as beyond reproach and exiled ... that doesn't sound like a Wakanda I want to be apart of



3) they kill off KIllmonger; so they can save Capt America evil brother for a bunch of sequels ,, they can save Thor evil brother for a bunch of sequels .... but they kill off Killmonger ?? KIllmonger ain't worthy of redemption ?



4) so the white FBI agent can fly Shuri special jets ,, but not her fellow Wakanda brothers ?



5) at the end of the movie ,, they open Wakanda for all the Nations to reap the rewards of their vibranium .. now doesn't that sound like some "all lives matter" shyt .. you think Rome opened their borders to let all the world's nations reap them from their resources ? Did Iraq open its borders to let nations reap them from their oil ? Oh but Black Wakanda gotta be on some "love the world" shyt ,, and let everybody reap their natural resource sounds like a script written by white people straight from 1400's Africa



6) with all the vibranium money , what do the world leaders of Wakanda do ? Buy Atlanta ? Buy NYC or Harlem ? Buy any city with that new vibranium money ? No . That buy a single block in Comption . One block . When they got enough wealth to buy the entire city





tell me how the hell does this movie make black people seem more superior than average .

I won't even get into the parts where the women have more lines and screentime than T'Challa (.. but that's the king right)
I won't get into how easily they accept the white FBI agent's "helping hands" while they have all the brothas exiled freezing in the tundra mountains with no women
I won't get into the opening introduction of Killmonger is him sagging his pants , only for him to be sacrificed at the end

I won't even get into the final battle .. which is point 7) a literal gender war between men and women ,, and with the men bowing down to the women at the end of the movie



Tell me how this movie isn't riddled with agenda tropes



Get Out > Black Panther
Birth of a Nation > Black Panther

atleast those movies show brothas having each others back .

(hopefully I don't get fragged and attacked for giving my opinion ,, but I literally had this face during my entire experience watching this movie . even fell asleep in the movie theater , and probably didn't miss a thing .... but then again I lost interest of Marvel superhero movies a long time ago .. this had a black cast and I support my black cast movies and will continue doing so ,, but Black Panther wasn't that special to me , imho)

 

[klientel]

I’m forcefully keeping it in my top 5 for some reason but Shang Chi kinda ruins it for me. That movie shows me the potential Marvel has for fight scenes and then I see that PS2 bullshyt at the end of BP and it really bothers me. It doesn’t age well like a lot of MCU movies so I think that is what gets people in the end.

Other than that I think it’s still a great movie. Just don’t watch the last fight and you’re straight

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

I randomly remember an interview with Method Man on Sway in the Morning when the movie came out

And Meth went out his way to say how mediocre it was
And kept going on about it being overrated

 

[Jello Biafra]

I like Black Panther and think it is in the Top 10 of Marvel movies but I have probably 6 or 7 movies ahead of it in the rankings.
And my biggest issue with the movie (aside from the janky CGI) is that I felt the title character got short shrift in his own movie especially compared to how T'Challa was presented in Civil War.
Chadwick Boseman was a damn fine actor and I am a huge fan of the character of T’Challa so I was really looking forward to seeing Boseman spread his wings in a solo BP movie and Boseman did a perfectly fine job in the role. But sadly Boseman also got overshadowed by pretty much everyone in the cast especially the women in his life (notably Shuri, Okoye and Nakia) and his adversaries in Killmonger and M’Baku. I get the understated regal grace that Boseman was going for but that angle in his performance coupled with Ryan Coogler seeming to like damn near every other character more than T'Challa made the character seem smaller than he should have been especially when surrounded by so many flashier acting performances.

 

[MajesticLion]

People are wrapped up in the "movement" and "representation" aspect so much that any legit criticism gets dismissed as being contrarian/hate.

Truthfully that's not just BP, all the Marvel flicks get buoyed along by the CGI-newness of it all. Most will not age as well as people think.



EDIT: hold up..."GOAT villain"?

 

[jshani]

its a strong "B+" level movie along with most of the rest of the MCU


its crazy that you cant just say something is "good" these days without the people that overrate everything calling you a hater