The average income of African American males between 20-59

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It'd be nice to see these charts juxtaposed with housing/education/food costs and the growth of credit.

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50 years of US wages, in one chart

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I work with these cats, and I don't know about all of that.

Critical Thinking Skills - I typically find them remembering every rule and just applying already created rules to problems where it doesn't fit.

Asians Ams are not monolithic - A lot of this first generation are the first to go to college and the first professionals in their family. So you have a lot of top level academic achievement coming out of families of fisherman and food makers. Parents don't even speak English, much less be able to explain the ins and outs of the Krebs cycle.

Those Chem Engineering girls you posted about a few weeks back are not the norm. You'll find that type of specific generational knowledge in every demographic.

That said, the ones I went to school with, 1/2 were children of peasants, the other 1/2 were children of doctors and engineers. I had to compete with both sets in high school and college. (I won't mention rampant cheating "collective studying")

But the rich do get richer.
I agree with this, however I say the first point I disagree with.

Memorization is really useful and memorizing your way through a STEM degree is really quite a great way to go. I even tell people all the time just spam a bunch of problems and really learn/memorize how to do them. That's really the best way to not only pass the exams, but also how to understand the concepts. Active recall is the most efficient form of learning and actually is the learning process that will help build connections to other topics. So even if someone memorized how to do a problem that they don't understand right away, if they see another problem later on and it has the same pattern they recognized: bang, instant connection formed and a way to understand the previous concept with the new information. There's been so many times I just learned to move on with a concept I didn't quite understand right then only to run into something days, weeks, months or even a year or two later to really understand it because it gave more context or was explained in the way I needed and was ready for right then. However, I still got the A for initially memorizing some material and now I have the knowledge really ingrained: win-win. So a lot of people who are "just memorizing" are going through the degree in the most effective way possible and their brains will eventually click and connect the points which will lead to expertise at the end because they've primed it in their brain.

People say that it's reciting, but that's exactly what you want and that actually is what it takes to form knowledge. A lot of people make these Engineering, Math and Science majors sound like you got to be Albert Einstein or Terence Tao to get through them, but you just got to be willing to grind through challenging problems and know how to find information that's missing. Literally put in the work: reading and recalling.

Especially when you see how non-complex most STEM jobs are in the real world - they make you grind your ass off and challenge you heavy in college with complex courses after complex courses to basically go into the real world and work on some real simple shyt (and get paid good). Like one of my college professors told us: school is basically training grounds to make sure you can prepare for life's tests. The main thing is to prepare for and get through these exams so that you can go in the real world later on and get crafty if you really want to do that.
 
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But…that’s not their job.

Their concern isn’t giving us an idea of who/how many men make more, or what they do to make more money. THAT IS ON US. Their job is to just tell people what the numbers are. It’s on us to figure out how to improve our salaries.

Asian men’s median salaries are high because everyone knows Asian dudes are all about STEM fields. They make more $ than White men. BUT, of course, White men still hold all the power in this nation.

The truth is, if you got a raw deal at the beginning of your life, you have to seek the opportunities. It’s TOUGH, but it’s that or sit around not trying.
I got a raw deal....and what helped me is.. before we go to college here in Montreal Canada, they have this little guide that showed you wages in community colleges fields ..and there was also one For universities. Reading that book most of my highschool, I was able to align myself to a better career. I even tried to dissuade a friend from going to a craftsmanship that had poor salaries( he drives beer trucks now)

I may be off..but observing how it's done in the USA , it seems people are told.. great grades = rich...bad grades = poor.
And if you can't afford school.. instant GED.

We're in the age of skilled trades...people are no longer independent.. it should literally be a focus for a lot of people...

It's funny but if more people was paid the current median...the new median would be much higher.
 

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Low interest rates are what caused house prices to go crazy. I know it sounds wrong, but young people need to pray for interest rates to go up.

The thing is, housing prices never go down, you can just hope it stabilizes. Even with that, if wages don't rise then we're still in the same boat.
 

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I agree with this, however I say the first point I disagree with.

Memorization is really useful and memorizing your way through a STEM degree is really quite a great way to go. I even tell people all the time just spam a bunch of problems and really learn/memorize how to do them. That's really the best way to not only pass the exams, but also how to understand the concepts.

Gotta disagree here. Regurgitation is not understanding the concepts.

Active recall is the most efficient form of learning and actually is the learning process that will help build connections to other topics. So even if someone memorized how to do a problem that they don't understand right away, if they see another problem later on and it has the same pattern they recognized: bang, instant connection formed and a way to understand the previous concept with the new information. There's been so many times I just learned to move on with a concept I didn't quite understand only to run into something days, weeks, months or even a year or two later to really understand it because it gave more context. However, I still got the A for initially memorizing some material and now I have the knowledge really ingrained: win-win. So a lot of people who are "just memorizing" are going through the degree in the most effective way possible and their brains will eventually click and connect the points which will lead to expertise at the end.

That's basically what the "Super Asian" student is optimized for, and that's what Elite Universities, and subsequent Elite Jobs - are trying to avoid.

Thinking is bigger than just pattern matching.

Going back to my various Asian Co-Workers in various industries - this mentality is often why they failed to handle problems well, or fail to rise within the industry.

There'se some old adage about when we can turn something into a number, then the number loses significance. Because people will always jook the stats/game the system. (which is what As Ams do)

People say that it's reciting, but that's exactly what you want and that actually is what it takes to form knowledge. A lot of people make these Engineering, Math and Science majors sound like you got to be Albert Einstein or Terence Tao to get through them, but you just got to be willing to grind through challenging problems. Literally put in the work: reading and recalling.

Very little of any job is reading and recalling though.

Especially when you see how non-complex most STEM jobs are in the real world - they make you grind your ass off and challenge you heavy in college with complex courses after complex courses to basically go in the real world and work on some real simple shyt (and get paid good).

Yes, it's a weed out process, because the job is "easy". At the same time, STEM employers want more H1B Visas (Indians from India and Asians from Asia have taken the "learning for the test" mentality to the utmost) to lower the wages for Native Born workers...

Moreover, this advocating more Black people in STEM, and to do so the Asian way - misses some of the human factors as well.

Like one of my college professors told us: school is basically training grounds to make sure you can prepare for life's tests. The main thing is getting through these exams so that you can go in the real world later on and get crafty if you really want to do that.

Not to get too philosophical, but that approach to education misses the point of education.
 

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It's bad but it's not too astonishing.

This has a lot to do with the fields of employment a lot of Black men are shoehorned into sometimes by force or lack of resources and being shut out of higher-paying jobs due to prejudices and racism, among other things.
 

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The thing is, housing prices never go down, you can just hope it stabilizes. Even with that, if wages don't rise then we're still in the same boat.

Housing prices go down when work is eliminated.

If the plant or the factory closes, housing takes a major hit. It's why the Midwest looks the way it does.
 

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Thinking is bigger than just pattern matching.
I disagree here, Richard Feynman's biggest discovery, and many big discoveries (maybe the majority) are based off of pattern recognition.

They recognize a pattern they've seen before and investigate to see if it's related. You can't get that though if you have never seen and memorized the initial pattern in the first place. Memorization is part of learning.
 
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college is great
trades are great

at the end of the day you gotta choose something or get left behind.

im pretty much guaranteed a certain standard of income with he college degree and experience at this point.
I have a degree and a CDL and a lot of jobs want to hire you as a supervisor for 50k and have u work 50 hours a week on salary . I'd like to get off the road but opportunities just aren't there stateside
 

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I disagree here, Richard Feynman's biggest discovery, and many big discoveries are based off of pattern recognition. They recognize a pattern they've seen before and investigate to see if it's related.

Yet John von Neumann's discoveries in many different fields aren't related to pattern matching at all.
 

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Yet John von Neumann's discoveries in many different fields aren't related to pattern matching at all.
Yet most are though. Knowledge builds on top of itself. Humans are pattern recognizing machines.

Willing to also say the same case is for von Neumann if you look underneath the hood.

All I'm saying is it's not magical, the process to get these degrees is very streamlined and people are overcomplicating it.
 
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Explains why so many people be frontin on social media....cause they living with their parents. :scust:

My cousin's stepdaughter was doing that shyt. Buying all kinds of designer shyt and frontin like she living it up on IG. Complaining about paying my cousin and her mom 200 dollars for rent. Claims she was moving out and found out the reality of what rent goes for nowadays. Quickly pivoted and ante'd up on the rent price.

She's 28. :francis:
 
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