The All Time Great Bernard Hopkins speaks on "TBE"

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Did this nikka really try to say Featherweight was never a hot division

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Bu-bu-but, you said:



But now that Im applying that JCC Sr pressure on you, you switching and trying to say NOW that Floyd was trying to work his way up to Oscar......who was at Junior Middleweight:mjpls:


So, which one is it? Was it he didnt become a household name at Welterweight like you said or he didnt become one until he fought Oscar at 154....which is what I said?:rgpls:




Who cares about PPV....you said "big money". Naseem Hamed got 6.5 million to fight Marco Antonio Barrera.............and Hamed was a Featherweight:sas2:


As a matter of fact, Hamed was making 2 million a fight all the way back in 1997..........as a Featherweight:ufdup:




:smugbiden:






Again, Hamed was guaranteed 2 million a fight as a Featherweight all the way back in 1997 and made 6.5 million to fight MAB in 2001. Floyd vs Naseem Hamed would've been possibly the GOAT Featherweight fight and each would've made big money like Hamed did against Barrera.

What you're saying doesnt make sense, because it's not true. You're just talking without any facts at this point. You're defenseless while Im teeing off on you like Bernard Hopkins vs Kelly Pavlik:mjlol:




Garcia was a legit Middleweight Champion in his era:camby:


He beat a HOFer, and one of the best all-time Middleweights to acquire the title:camby:

If never got the Welterweight belt he never would have fought Oscar, the I said welterweight up are the premier weight classes in the sport

Floyd was already making that money before he moved up to welterweight, and once again Prince was never a house hold name

I'm talking being at the top of sport that was always Floyd's goal

everything else you saying is a bunch of fukking nonsense, why are even talking about Hamed

Garcia was a legit Middleweight in his era, but in this era he wouldn't even be a legit Jr Middleweight, that's the fukking point

Armstrong didn't fighters bigger than jr middleweights Floyd has already fought
 

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If never got the Welterweight belt he never would have fought Oscar

You do realize they only fought for Oscar's Junior Middleweight Championship right?:usure:


Oscar didnt fight him because he was 1 of 4 Welterweight Champions (Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, and Kermit Cintron were all Welterweight Champions at the same time), he fought him because Floyd Mayweather was considered the best fighter in the sport at the time:ufdup:


the I said welterweight up are the premier weight classes in the sport

That's NOT what you said:ufdup:

You said:
there's no big money at the small weights you moron, the 125 division has never been a premier division at any point in history

And you were wrong.

Floyd was already making that money before he moved up to welterweight,

Floyd's biggest purse before moving up to Welterweight was 3.2 million against Arturo Gatti..........less than half Prince Naseem Hamed got to fight Marco Antonio Barrera 4 years earlier, at FEATHERWEIGHT!:umad:


and once again Prince was never a house hold name


He was just as big as Floyd until he fought Oscar De La Hoya:sas2:


I'm talking being at the top of sport that was always Floyd's goal

Being at the top of sport or the biggest money earner are 2 different things....which are you talking about?


everything else you saying is a bunch of fukking nonsense, why are even talking about Hamed

We are talking about Hamed, stupid, because you said:
he turned pro the same year he fought at featherweight

he moved up in weight, because there's no fights at 125
and
there's no big money at the small weights

Which were BOTH lies.


Garcia was a legit Middleweight in his era, but in this era he wouldn't even be a legit Jr Middleweight, that's the fukking point

What does THIS era have to do with Armstrong's era, unless you were downplaying Armstrong like I said you were doing about 5 hours ago fool.


Damn, you're slow:dead:


Armstrong didn't fighters bigger than jr middleweights Floyd has already fought

Floyd has never weighed in at 142 for a "junior middleweight" fight either like Armstrong did:camby:
 
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You do realize they only fought for Oscar's Junior Middleweight Championship right?:usure:


Oscar didnt fight him because he was 1 of 4 Welterweight Champions (Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, and Kermit Cintron were all Welterweight Champions at the same time), he fought him because Floyd Mayweather was considered the best fighter in the sport at the time:ufdup:




That's NOT what you said:ufdup:

You said:

And you were wrong.



Floyd's biggest purse before moving up to Welterweight was 3.2 million against Arturo Gatti..........less than half Prince Naseem Hamed got to fight Marco Antonio Barrera 4 years earlier, at FEATHERWEIGHT!:umad:





He was just as big as Floyd until he fought Oscar De La Hoya:sas2:




Being at the top of sport or the biggest money earner are 2 different things....which are you talking about?




We are talking about Hamed, stupid, because you said: and

Which were BOTH lies.




What does THIS era have to do with Armstrong's era, unless you were downplaying Armstrong like I said you were doing about 5 hours ago fool.


Damn, you're slow:dead:




Floyd has never weighed in at 142 for a "junior middleweight" fight either like Armstrong did:camby:

What does it matter they only fought for Oscar's Middleweight champion, Floyd was able to get to that fight because he was the WBC Welterweight champion

Floyd made 6 million plus ppv back end against Judah, for his second fight at Welterweight

Prince was more well known than Floyd, but his career was nearing its end, I mean damn, his last fight was in 2002, Floyd didn't move up in weight until 2004-2005

Floyd wa at 135 majority of the time anyway, naseem was older and on his way out, so of course he was a bigger star he had been around longer

Hamed ducked floyd anyway when they were in the same class

Prince never was even on PPV, Floyd always had bigger goals

Why are you talking about prince hamed he's not on floyd's level at anything you're only proven my point
 

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What does it matter they only fought for Oscar's Middleweight champion, Floyd was able to get to that fight because he was the WBC Welterweight champion

That's not why ODLH fought him....so why do you keep saying this:snoop:

Floyd made 6 million plus ppv back end against Judah, for his second fight at Welterweight


Sooooooooo, first you said:
Floyd was already making that money before he moved up to welterweight,

Then I smacked you in the face with the reality that Hamed made 6.5 million in 2001 for a featherweight fight while Floyd's career high before reaching Welterweight was only 3.2 mill, you then come back talking about what Floyd made at his SECOND fight at Welterweight?:dead:

Bu-bu-but, I thought Floyd was already making that money before he moved up to Welterweight?:mjlol:

You dont know what you are talking about. This is like a fukking sparring session right now:wow:


Prince was more well known than Floyd, but his career was nearing its end, I mean damn, his last fight was in 2002, Floyd didn't move up in weight until 2004-2005

Floyd was only 1 division higher than Prince Naseem Hamed and the 130 Champion from 1998-2002.

Hamed was the 126 Champion up until 2001...they could've fought in those 6 years Floyd was at 130 and Hamed was at 126. I'll let you guess who didnt want that fight:sas2:

Floyd wa at 135 majority of the time anyway, naseem was older and on his way out, so of course he was a bigger star he had been around longer

Floyd was at 130 from 1996-2002. He only fought at 135 from 2002-2005. What are you talking about?

And Hamed was the bigger star because he put on shows in the ring. Floyd was more technical about his fights back then.

Hamed ducked floyd anyway when they were in the same class

When were they in the same class when Floyd never fought below Featherweight?:what:


Damn, here you go exposing yourself again:wow:


Prince never was even on PPV, Floyd always had bigger goals

I guess Alfredo Angulo had bigger goals than Prince Hamed as well:stopitslime:


Why are you talking about prince hamed he's not on floyd's level at anything you're only proven my point

You said there were no fights at Featherweight. You lied....Im scolding you:yeshrug:
 
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That's not why ODLH fought him....so why do you keep saying this:snoop:




Sooooooooo, first you said:

Then I smacked you in the face with the reality that Hamed made 6.5 million in 2001 for a featherweight fight while Floyd's career high before reaching Welterweight was only 3.2 mill, you then come back talking about what Floyd made at his SECOND fight at Welterweight?:dead:

Bu-bu-but, I thought Floyd was already making that money before he moved up to Welterweight?:mjlol:

You dont know what you are talking about. This is like a fukking sparring session right now:wow:




Floyd was only 1 division higher than Prince Naseem Hamed and the 130 Champion from 1998-2002.

Hamed was the 126 Champion up until 2001...they could've fought in those 6 years Floyd was at 130 and Hamed was at 126. I'll let you guess who didnt want that fight:sas2:



Floyd was at 130 from 1996-2002. He only fought at 135 from 2002-2005. What are you talking about?

And Hamed was the bigger star because he put on shows in the ring. Floyd was more technical about his fights back then.



When were they in the same class when Floyd never fought below Featherweight?:what:


Damn, here you go exposing yourself again:wow:




I guess Alfredo Angulo had bigger goals than Prince Hamed as well:stopitslime:




You said there were no fights at Featherweight. You lied....Im scolding you:yeshrug:

when has a featherweight ever headline a PPV event?

What are even talking about

6 million ain't no money, compared to what Floyd is making for following the game plan

you fighting a losing battle, so Floyd stayed at the smaller weights, he never would be making 70 million have per pay view fights

What is there to debate

okay Hamed was getting paid more than Floyd, he was already established, and Floyd wasn't, he wanted to fight Hamed and Hamed did not want the fight

regardless

Hamed never even fought on PPV his career is nothing in comparison to Floyd's, why are you bring this shyt up

you are proven my point
 

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when has a featherweight ever headline a PPV event?

When has a Featherweight ever headlined a PPV event you ask huh?:mjpls:




















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I kept that hidden under the sleeve, because I KNEW you would ask that question:russ:


Just throw in the damn towel already breh:damn:



What are even talking about

6 million ain't no money, compared to what Floyd is making for following the game plan


6.5 million aint no money.....which is why it took Floyd 10 whole years of his career in order to make MORE than that amount as a base purse for a fight:ohhh:


:mjlol:


you fighting a losing battle

IM fighting a losing battle? Breh, this is pretty much lopsided. Im bolo punching you all around The Ring in this thread. Im on my toes, dancing and showing off for the crowd, while you looking like a confused boxer who took the fight to early in his career:heh:


so Floyd stayed at the smaller weights, he never would be making 70 million have per pay view fights

So now you're introducing a new hypothetical topic, because every other one you've brought up has fallen flat huh?:patrice:


What is there to debate

okay Hamed was getting paid more than Floyd, he was already established, and Floyd wasn't, he wanted to fight Hamed and Hamed did not want the fight

regardless

Hamed never even fought on PPV his career is nothing in comparison to Floyd's, why are you bring this shyt up

you are proven my point



Hamed vs Barrera was on PPV:sas1:



You lost:sas2:
 
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When has a Featherweight ever headlined a PPV event you ask huh?:mjpls:




















Marco_Antonio_Barrera_vs._Naseem_Hamed_%28poster%29.jpg




I kept that hidden under the sleeve, because I KNEW you would ask that question:russ:


Just throw in the damn towel already breh:damn:






6.5 million aint no money.....which is why it took Floyd 10 whole years of his career in order to make MORE than that amount as a base purse for a fight:ohhh:


:mjlol:




IM fighting a losing battle? Breh, this is pretty much lopsided. Im bolo punching you all around The Ring in this thread. Im on my toes, dancing and showing off for the crowd, while you looking like a confused boxer who took the fight to early in his career:heh:




So now you're introducing a new hypothetical topic, because every other one you've brought up has fallen flat huh?:patrice:






Hamed vs Barrera was on PPV:sas1:



You lost:sas2:

One fight out of the entire HISTORY OF PPV lmao and I lost

like Is aid when was the last time and it was long ass time ago

also what DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HENRY ARMSTRONG FIGHTING A 153 pounder

you do this shyt all the time man

you go off on this

Floyd has made more 1 fight than Hamed has grossed in his entire career and you do not see the difference

no featheweight is making Tyson money, or being on the level of De La hoya

its just not happening
 
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Man, this is too easy breh. I dont even know why he's continuing.


He has that Arturo Gatti (rip) heart:to:






















Too bad Im in Pretty Boy Floyd form in this thread:demonic:

Okay I was wrong about Hamed so what

what does that prove

One featherweight out of the entire history of the sport, kinda proves me point

also Hamed wouldn't fight mayweather

but what does this have to do with the henry armstrong argument
 
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Floyd calling out prince fakkit, he ain't want to fight

Hamed was never the number 1 fighter in boxing, he was never the biggest superstar in the sport

so what point are making

his ppv numbers are irrelevant

when Floyd got welterweight fights that beat out heavyweight fights ppv wise
 

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One fight out of the entire HISTORY OF PPV lmao and I lost

You asked a question, I answered with the obvious response.....you lost:umad:

like Is aid when was the last time and it was long ass time ago


That's not what you asked:umad:


You asked:
when has a featherweight ever headline a PPV event?

Asking what YOU did which was "when has a featherweight ever headlined a PPV event?" vs asking "when's the last time a featherweight headlined a PPV event?" are 2 different questions:sas1:

You asked the former and got KO'd:sas2:

also what DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HENRY ARMSTRONG FIGHTING A 153 pounder

:snoop:

I said Armstrong started at Featherweight and moved up to fight for the 160 Belt. You countered with Floyd started off 125 (as an amateur:mjlol:), but moved up because there were no fights there (:snoop:) and that there was no big money either. I proved you wrong by bringing up Prince Naseem Hamed, as well as many others, and killed you.

That's how we got here. You started it by being ignorant in your boxing knowledge:manny:

you do this shyt all the time man

you go off on this

I like talking boxing:yeshrug:

Floyd has made more 1 fight than Hamed has grossed in his entire career and you do not see the difference

no featheweight is making Tyson money, or being on the level of De La hoya

its just not happening

That's not the discussion nor what we were discussing. You grasping for straws right now.
 
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