The All Time Great Bernard Hopkins speaks on "TBE"

[Newzz]

And in today's era it would have been classifiedd as Jr Middleweight

Since we playing hypothetical, in TODAY'S ERA (being that Henry Armstrong won a belt at Featherweight all the way up to Middleweight back when it was only 8 divisions) Armstrong would've held the Featherweight, Junior Lightweight, Lightweight, Junior Welterweight, Welterweight, and Junior Middleweight Championship in this era of multiple divisions INCLUDING holding the 126, 130, 135, 140, and 147 Championships all at the same time at one point


Why discredit a legend and GOAT in order to big up another legend?


Floyd's an All-time great as well, but winning 4 belts in an era where there were only 8 (including holding 3 belts all at the same damn time) is amazing.


Floyd would need to win the lineal belts in at least 8 divisions (plus hold 6 lineal belts all at the same time) to equal what Henry Armstrong did in today's era that has 17 divisions

 

[Master Teacher]

Since we playing hypothetical, in TODAY'S ERA (being that Henry Armstrong won a belt at Featherweight all the way up to Middleweight back when it was only 8 divisions) Armstrong would've held the Featherweight, Junior Lightweight, Lightweight, Junior Welterweight, Welterweight, and Junior Middleweight Championship in this era of multiple divisions INCLUDING holding the 126, 130, 135, 140, and 147 Championships all at the same time


Why discredit a legend and GOAT in order to big up Floyd? Floyd's an All-time great as well, but winning 4 belts in an era where there were only 8 (including holding 3 belts all at the same damn time) is amazing.


Floyd would need to win the lineal belts in at least 8 divisions (plus hold 6 lineal belts all at the same time) to equal what Henry Armstrong did in today's era that has 17 divisions

no he wouldn't have lmao

first off in today's era, henry armstrong wouldn't be able to retain those titles all at the same
just because the business of the sport as changed


He floyd fought in that era he would've been middleweight champ, without doubt, he's already beaten biggers guys and garica couldn't lace floyd's gloves

Floyd conquered all the divisions he would have plus Jr Middleweight

Floyd's been the lineal champ in every division he's fought in

he never would have won the junior middleweight championship he lost

I'm discrediting him I'm just telling truth

Bernard was making it seem like he came up and weight and fought this gigantic guys, and he didn't

the bottom line is Henry Armstrong is not a better boxer than Floyd, the tape will tell you that

Floyd is the only one who's ever discredited by holding hi to a different standard than anyone else

 

[Willie]

5:46 on

I needed to hear that

 

[Newzz]

no he wouldn't have lmao

He floyd fought in that era he would've been middleweight champ, without doubt, he's already beaten biggers guys and garica couldn't lace floyd's gloves

Are you serious?


Since Floyd won his 1st title in 1998, he's only fought more than twice in a year....3x (1999, 2001, and 2005)


When Henry Armstrong won his 1st title in 1937 until he lost it to Zivic, he fought at least 3x in 4 different years as a champion. 4x in 1937, 14x in 1938, 12x in 1939, and 8x in 1940 before losing his belt.


That's 38 fights as a Champion in a 4 year span for Henry Armstrong.....Floyd has only fought 30 times in 16 YEARS since winning the title from Genaro Hernandez


Floyd wouldnt have been able PHYSICALLY to fight as many times, without proper training and nutrition and in bad venues, like fighters from those days had to endure, so no way was he jumping up in divisions and beating naturally larger men with having to sometimes defend your title against 2 different opponents in the same week

Floyd conquered all the divisions he would have plus Jr Middleweight

Well, Floyd hasnt. He has NEVER been the undisputed, unified Champion in any division he's been in


Henry Armstrong was the sole Champion in every division he won the belt.....and held 3 different weight class belts (126, 135, and 147) all at the same time as THE MAN back when it was only 8 belts period. Floyd has never held 3 BELTS in the SAME DIVISION all at the same time and it's only 4 of them needed

Floyd's been the lineal champ in every division he's fought in

Henry Armstrong has been the man in every division.

he never would have won the junior middleweight championship he lost

Okay

I'm discrediting him I'm just telling truth

Bernard was making it seem like he came up and weight and fought this gigantic guys, and he didn't

Um, he did. Henry Armstrong won the Welterweight Championship weighing in at 133 1/2 lbs and was outweighed by 10 pounds by prime HOFer Barney Ross on fight night. Not to mention the fact that Henry Armstrong was only 5'5 and started his career UNDER 126 lbs, for him to go all the way up in weight to fight for the Middleweight Championship and even fight fighters like prime Sugar Ray Robinson (who was a HUGE welterweight at 5'11 and the TRUE TBE) was what B-Hop was talking about


The equivalent today would be Floyd (who started off at 130) fighting for the Super Middleweight Championship....and we ALL know he's not gonna try that

the bottom line is Henry Armstrong is not a better boxer than Floyd, the tape will tell you that

Are we or Bernard Hopkins discussing who the better "boxer" is or who has the better resume?

Floyd is the only one who's ever discredited by holding hi to a different standard than anyone else

Your holding Henry Armstrong to different standards right now, but you sound foolish for talking down on a man who won 3 belts in 3 different weight classes, and held them all at the same time, back in a day where there were only 8 belts period


Again, in order for Floyd to duplicate that, he would have to be the Champion in 6 different weight classes, and hold them all at the same time. If he cant do it, it shows how special Henry Armstrong was...back in a time when he entered the ring as a Champion against 38 opponents over the course of just 48 months

 

[Master Teacher]

Are you serious?


Since Floyd won his 1st title in 1998, he's only fought more than twice in a year....3x (1999, 2001, and 2005)


When Henry Armstrong won his 1st title in 1937 until he lost it to Zivic, he fought at least 3x in 4 different years as a champion. 4x in 1937, 14x in 1938, 12x in 1939, and 8x in 1940 before losing his belt.


That's 38 fights as a Champion in a 4 year span for Henry Armstrong.....Floyd has only fought 30 times in 16 YEARS since winning the title from Genaro Hernandez


Floyd wouldnt have been able PHYSICALLY to fight as many times, without proper training and nutrition and in bad venues, like fighters from those days had to endure, so no way was he jumping up in divisions and beating naturally larger men with having to sometimes defend your title against 2 different opponents in the same week





Well, Floyd hasnt. He has NEVER been the undisputed, unified Champion in any division he's been in


Henry Armstrong was the sole Champion in every division he won the belt.....and held 3 different weight class belts (126, 135, and 147) all at the same time as THE MAN back when it was only 8 belts period. Floyd has never held 3 BELTS in the SAME DIVISION all at the same time and it's only 4 of them needed





Henry Armstrong has been the man in every division.





Okay





Um, he did. Henry Armstrong won the Welterweight Championship weighing in at 133 1/2 lbs and was outweighed by 10 pounds by prime HOFer Barney Ross on fight night. Not to mention the fact that Henry Armstrong was only 5'5 and started his career UNDER 126 lbs, for him to go all the way up in weight to fight for the Middleweight Championship and even fight fighters like prime Sugar Ray Robinson (who was a HUGE welterweight at 5'11 and the TRUE TBE) was what B-Hop was talking about


The equivalent today would be Floyd (who started off at 130) fighting for the Super Middleweight Championship....and we ALL know he's not gonna try that




Are we or Bernard Hopkins discussing who the better "boxer" is or who has the better resume?





Your holding Henry Armstrong to different standards right now, but you sound foolish for talking down on a man who won 3 belts in 3 different weight classes, and held them all at the same time, back in a day where there were only 8 belts period


Again, in order for Floyd to duplicate that, he would have to be the Champion in 6 different weight classes, and hold them all at the same time. If he cant do it, it shows how special Henry Armstrong was...back in a time when he entered the ring as a Champion against 38 opponents over the course of just 48 months

how am I holding henry armtsrong by different standards by stating facts, he fouht a guy for the middleweight belt who was a 153 pounds lol
that was bernard hopkins whole point, but he failed to mention the middleweight he fought for the title wasn't 160

What are you even talking about

who cares how many times he fought, most of them guys were cab drivers

you keep bringing up henry armystrong fightng guys ten pounds heavier than him, when has done the same thing his whole career, and he's even fought guys 20 pounds heavier and younger than him

its only a different standard when it comes to Floyd

 

[Popi]

If BHop is going at Floyd for calling himself the best, he might as well go at Ali for the exact same claim.

They both use that "The Greatest" / "TBE" moniker for $$$, that's it and that's all.

No boxing historian thinks either is the best ever. BHop can't be mad at either man for a successful marketing ploy.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Mixed feelings on this lecture by Professor B-Hop.

1. He's correct in his assessment of the best ever.
2. Just say Floyd's name and cut the games.
3. Floyd knows he isn't TBE at ALL., he uses it for $$$
4. B-Hop needs to study on weight classes and who moved up and fought who at what weights.
5. No one is TBE.

Floyd believes he's the best ever
And I don't blame him
You gotta gave a certain belief in yourself to get this far especially with the overwhelming hate


But I agree with you, there is no TBE

 

[Knicksman20]

Mixed feelings on this lecture by Professor B-Hop.

1. He's correct in his assessment of the best ever.
2. Just say Floyd's name and cut the games.
3. Floyd knows he isn't TBE at ALL., he uses it for $$$
4. B-Hop needs to study on weight classes and who moved up and fought who at what weights.
5. No one is TBE.

Sugar Ray Robinson fam. I just wish we had footage of him in his prime. Even the footage we have today showed he was incredible & close to unbeatable

 

[Newzz]

how am I holding henry armtsrong by different standards by stating facts, he fouht a guy for the middleweight belt who was a 153 pounds lol

Funny how you keep talking down on Garcia as well. You do know that he won the Middleweight belt from Fred Apostoli, who is a HOFer and one of the greatest Middleweights ever right?

Ceferino Garcia was no bum and you down playing him (once again) shows your lack of knowledge in the HISTORY of Boxing

that was bernard hopkins whole point, but he failed to mention the middleweight he fought for the title wasn't 160

He doesnt have to. Ceferino Garcia was a good fighters in his era and weighed in as high as 162 back then.

Another thing, you keep bringing up Garcia weighing in at 153 against Armstrong....but what about the fact that Armstrong was only 142 HIMSELF on fight night?

In today's era, the fight would've been closer to being a Junior Welterweight vs a Junior Middleweight

What are you even talking about

who cares how many times he fought, most of them guys were cab drivers

Henry Armstrong earned 13 wins over 10 different prime HOFers over that same 48 month span

Cab drivers my ass. Floyd hasnt even fought 10 HOFers in his entire 18 year career

Armstrong had 13 wins over 10 different HOFers in 48 months. Floyd Mayweather has 6 wins over 6 different HOFers in 217 months (18 years plus 1 month)

you keep bringing up henry armystrong fightng guys ten pounds heavier than him, when has done the same thing his whole career, and he's even fought guys 20 pounds heavier and younger than him

its only a different standard when it comes to Floyd

Armstrong started his career as a 5'5, 126 lber, with 67 inch reach and ended up fighting for the 160 Championship before it was all said and done.
Floyd started his career as a 5'8, 130 lber, with 72 inch reach and has fought for the 154 Championship.


Armstrong and Floyd are NOT equal when it comes to that. Henry started smaller and lighter and fought for a heavier weight class belt.

 

[Newzz]

And I dont wanna bash Floyd, because that wasnt my intentions even though @Master Teacher wants to always downplay consensus Top 3 ATG fighters to big up Floyd, which forces me to go in my bag on him


Floyd is an ATG himself and even though he's not the GOAT (Sugar Ray Robinson is) Floyd is the best of THIS era and that's all that matters.

 

[Master Teacher]

Funny how you keep talking down on Garcia as well. You do know that he won the Middleweight belt from Fred Apostoli, who is a HOFer and one of the greatest Middleweights ever right?

Ceferino Garcia was no bum and you down playing him (once again) shows your lack of knowledge in the HISTORY of Boxing



He doesnt have to. Ceferino Garcia was a good fighters in his era and weighed in as high as 162 back then.

Another thing, you keep bringing up Garcia weighing in at 153 against Armstrong....but what about the fact that Armstrong was only 142 HIMSELF on fight night?

In today's era, the fight would've been closer to being a Junior Welterweight vs a Junior Middleweight





Henry Armstrong earned 13 wins over 10 different prime HOFers over that same 48 month span

Cab drivers my ass. Floyd hasnt even fought 10 HOFers in his entire 18 year career

Armstrong had 13 wins over 10 different HOFers in 48 months. Floyd Mayweather has 6 wins over 6 different HOFers in 217 months (18 years plus 1 month)





Armstrong started his career as a 5'5, 126 lber, with 67 inch reach and ended up fighting for the 160 Championship before it was all said and done.
Floyd started his career as a 5'8, 130 lber, with 72 inch reach and has fought for the 154 Championship.


Armstrong and Floyd are NOT equal when it comes to that. Henry started smaller and lighter and fought for a heavier weight class belt.

What point are making

Floyd beat hall of famers too, but he gets no cedit

I already stated the guy was ten pounds heavier than armstrong

guess Floyd's fought guys ten 12 pounds heavier than him at every class he was in, so what

Floyd fought guys 20 pounds heavier, so what


what point are you making


the end of the day Armstrong came up for 126 and fought a guy who was 153 pounds

Floyd came up from 125 and fought guys 165 close to 170 pounds

 

[Master Teacher]

And I dont wanna bash Floyd, because that wasnt my intentions even though @Master Teacher wants to always downplay consensus Top 3 ATG fighters to big up Floyd, which forces me to go in my bag on him


Floyd is an ATG himself and even though he's not the GOAT (Sugar Ray Robinson is) Floyd is the best of THIS era and that's all that matters.

How did I down play him


Garcia was 153 pounds thats fact

Floyd has fought people heavier than, that is fact

all I'm saying is it can't praise a guy for one thing and give Floyd for the other

the only who is being discredited was Floyd

 

[Newzz]

What point are making

Floyd beat hall of famers too, but he gets no cedit

Floyd has only 6 wins over HOFers in 18 years.

Henry Armstrong had 13 wins over HOFers in just 4 years.


You called Henry Armstrong's opponents "cab drivers" when I brought up the fact that he fought as a Champion 38 times in a 4 year span compared to Floyd fighting just 30 times in a 16 year span....and you were wrong. That's the point Im making.

the end of the day Armstrong came up for 126 and fought a guy who was 153 pounds

Floyd came up from 125 and fought guys 165 close to 170 pounds

No, the end of the day, Armstrong started as a Featherweight and fought for the 160 Championship

Floyd has NEVER fought below Junior Lightweight and has fought as high as for the 154 Championship.


Since when has Floyd came up from 125?

 

[Master Teacher]

Floyd has only 6 wins over HOFers in 18 years.

Henry Armstrong had 13 wins over HOFers in just 4 years.


You called Henry Armstrong's opponents "cab drivers" when I brought up the fact that he fought as a Champion 38 times in a 4 year span compared to Floyd fighting just 30 times in a 16 year span....and you were wrong. That's the point Im making.




No, the end of the day, Armstrong started as a Featherweight and fought for the 160 Championship

Floyd has NEVER fought below Junior Lightweight and has fought as high as for the 154 Championship.


Since when has Floyd came up from 125?

He didn't fight for the 160 pound championship lol

middleweight is anything over 147 with the limit being 160, today anything over 147 is Jr Middleweight with the limit being 154

so he never got the title Floyd currently holds, end of story

Floyd was 125 in the olympics

 

[Jello Biafra]

Floyd was 125 in the olympics

Armstrong was only 120 when he made his pro debut.