The All Time Great Bernard Hopkins speaks on "TBE"

[Newzz]

He didn't fight for the 160 pound championship lol

middleweight is anything over 147 with the limit being 160, today anything over 147 is Jr Middleweight with the limit being 154

If you can only MAX 160 to win the belt....then it's the 160 belt


Damn breh, you trying to argue everything when you're blatantly wrong

Floyd was 125 in the olympics

Floyd started his professional career as a Junior Lightweight breh, why are you bringing up amateur weights for? That's when I know I won

 

[Master Teacher]

Armstrong was only 120 when he made his pro debut.

I'm talking anything way from Armstong, Bhop was acting like he was beating middleweights his size, when he wasn't, he as a small guy fighting jr middleweights
Floyd is a lil bit bigger but he's fighting much bigger guys who weigh in over the middleweight limit the night of the fight
so he's whole argument didn't make sense

The bottom line is he fought a guy at 153 pounds for the middleweight fight, that would be a jr middleweight fight, and Floyd is number 1 in that division, something Armstong could never do

 

[Master Teacher]

If you can only MAX 160 to win the belt....then it's the 160 belt


Damn breh, you trying to argue everything when you're blatantly wrong







Floyd started his professional career as a Junior Lightweight breh, why are you bringing up amateur weights for? That's when I know I won

Stop being dumb for the sake of being dumb

160 is the max, but Henry Armstrong fought a guy whow as 153, so its teh same of Floyd mayweather fighting jr middleweight

only difference Mayweather dominated and is champ, and Armstrong ever got the strap


He turned the bro the same year he was in olympics dumb ass, it just shows he was fighting naturally bigger guys the entire time

Castillo was ten pounds heavier than him, so was Diego Coralles when they fought

 

[Newzz]

Stop being dumb for the sake of being dumb

160 is the max, but Henry Armstrong fought a guy whow as 153, so its teh same of Floyd mayweather fighting jr middleweight

only difference Mayweather dominated and is champ, and Armstrong ever got the strap


He turned the bro the same year he was in olympics dumb ass, it just shows he was fighting naturally bigger guys the entire time

Castillo was ten pounds heavier than him, so was Diego Coralles when they fought

Floyd's PROFESSIONAL DEBUT, he weighed in at 131 pounds.


You should be put on "timeout" for low quality posting and lack of knowledge while discussing sports that's all about knowledge....The Sweet Science.



Who the hell says someone "came up from 125" because of what they weighed as an amateur when we talking about Professional Boxing

 

[THE MACHINE]

Stop being dumb for the sake of being dumb

160 is the max, but Henry Armstrong fought a guy whow as 153, so its teh same of Floyd mayweather fighting jr middleweight

only difference Mayweather dominated and is champ, and Armstrong ever got the strap


He turned the bro the same year he was in olympics dumb ass, it just shows he was fighting naturally bigger guys the entire time

Castillo was ten pounds heavier than him, so was Diego Coralles when they fought

You had some good points earlier breh but you might be drowning a little bit now. You cant take his amateur weight and spin it as his debut weight.

 

[Master Teacher]

Floyd's PROFESSIONAL DEBUT, he weighed in at 131 pounds.


You should be put on "timeout" for low quality posting and lack of knowledge while discussing sports that's all about knowledge....The Sweet Science.



Who the hell says someone "came up from 125" because of what they weighed as an amateur when we talking about Professional Boxing

Because that's what he did

oh but a guy at 153 is a considered a Middleweight lmao

he turned pro in 1996 and fought in the 96 in the olympics at featherweight

All his opponents were naturally bigger men

 

[Master Teacher]

You had some good points earlier breh but you might be drowning a little bit now. You cant take his amateur weight and spin it as his debut weight.

yes you can, because he's a small guy, he turned pro the same year he fought at featherweight

he moved up in weight, because there's no fights at 125

 

[THE MACHINE]

yes you can, because he's a small guy, he turned pro the same year he fought at featherweight

he moved up in weight, because there's no fights at 125

But he didnt weigh in at 125 for his first fight though

 

[Master Teacher]

But he didnt weigh in at 125 for his first fight though

that's not the fukking point

the weight differences were the same

henry armstrong would fight guys ten pounds heavier than him and Floyd did the same

only difference Floyd has fought and won against guys 20 pounds heavier than him, and armstrong never did that

 

[Newzz]

yes you can, because he's a small guy, he turned pro the same year he fought at featherweight

he moved up in weight, because there's no fights at 125

He moved up because there were no fights at 125?


125 is the Featherweight division clown....what the hell are you talking about?

You had some good points earlier breh but you might be drowning a little bit now.

That's typically what happens with his posts breh. He's like a 8-10 round fighter.


He starts off hot, but the longer he responds, and the more you keep pressing the action....he eventually drowns in the Championship rounds everytime.


He's a front runner

 

[Master Teacher]

He moved up because there were no fights at 125?


125 is the Featherweight division clown....what the hell are you talking about?




That's typically what happens with his posts breh. He's like a 8-10 round fighter.


He starts off hot, but the longer he responds, and the more you keep pressing the action....he eventually drowns in the Championship rounds everytime.


He's a front runner

There's a reason why Floyd Mayweather didn't become a house hold name until he got to Welterweight

there's no big money at the small weights you moron, the 125 division has never been a premier division at any point in history

also what point are you even trying to make at this point

 

[Newzz]

There's a reason why Floyd Mayweather didn't become a house hold name until he got to Welterweight

What you're saying makes no sense.

Imo had the same level of recognition when he fought Gatti at 140 on PPV as he had when he fought Judah at 147 on PPV.

He also fought Sharmba Mitchell in his fight at 147 in a Rock vs Mankind "Empty Arena" Match, so how was he a "household name"?

He didnt become a "household name" until he fought Oscar De La Hoya at Junior Middleweight

there's no big money at the small weights you moron, the 125 division has never been a premier division at any point in history

You REALLY do not know boxing huh?


Was Prince Naseem Hamed not bringing in big money at Featherweight at the same time Floyd debuted?


Matter of fact, Hamed was the MAN at Featherweight and Kevin Kelley was also at Featherweight as well as Juan Manuel Marquez, Derrick Gainer, Wilfredo Vazquez, Freddie Norwood, and Luisito Espinosa


Are you saying Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Naseem Hamed wasnt a "big money" fight?

 

[GzUp]

 

[Master Teacher]

What you're saying makes no sense.

Imo had the same level of recognition when he fought Gatti at 140 on PPV as he had when he fought Judah at 147 on PPV.

He also fought Sharmba Mitchell in his fight at 147 in a Rock vs Mankind "Empty Arena" Match, so how was he a "household name"?

He didnt become a "household name" until he fought Oscar De La Hoya at Junior Middleweight




You REALLY do not know boxing huh?


Was Prince Naseem Hamed not bringing in big money at Featherweight at the same time Floyd debuted?


Matter of fact, Hamed was the MAN at Featherweight and Kevin Kelley was also at Featherweight as well as Juan Manuel Marquez, Derrick Gainer, Wilfredo Vazquez, Freddie Norwood, and Luisito Espinosa


Are you saying Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Naseem Hamed wasnt a "big money" fight?

Once again you're deflecting from the topic

Floyd agianst Gatti and Floyd agianst Judah didn't even get 400,000 buys

Floyd was working is way up by fighting Judah so he could get a shot at the WBC belt and get the fight with Oscar

what's prince hamed's ppv numbers, lets get carried away here

the point I was making was

it was the best career voice for Floyd to go at super featherweight than featherweight, boxing is different in modern times than it was back then

I was merely pointing out the fact that Floyd was smaller coming into a division than his competition

the same as Armstrong

Armstrong is only ranked as middleweight because jr middleweight didn't exists, but he has never fought a real middleweight

 

[Newzz]

Once again you're deflecting from the topic

Floyd agianst Gatti and Floyd agianst Judah didn't even get 400,000 buys

Floyd was working is way up by fighting Judah so he could get a shot at the WBC belt and get the fight with Oscar

Bu-bu-but, you said:

There's a reason why Floyd Mayweather didn't become a house hold name until he got to Welterweight

But now that Im applying that JCC Sr pressure on you, you switching and trying to say NOW that Floyd was trying to work his way up to Oscar......who was at Junior Middleweight


So, which one is it? Was it he didnt become a household name at Welterweight like you said or he didnt become one until he fought Oscar at 154....which is what I said?:rgpls:

what's prince hamed's ppv numbers, lets get carried away here

Who cares about PPV....you said "big money". Naseem Hamed got 6.5 million to fight Marco Antonio Barrera.............and Hamed was a Featherweight


As a matter of fact, Hamed was making 2 million a fight all the way back in 1997..........as a Featherweight

But HBO Sports is staking $2 million a fight (as long as he wins) and $2 million in advertising and publicity that Hamed's trans-Atlantic popularity will be like the QE2 and not the Titanic.

Fighting primarily in England, Hamed has earned $12 million in purses and endorsements this year, which ranked No. 22 on Forbes magazine's list of highest-paid athletes in the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/17/sports/boxing-he-s-a-champion-of-self-promotion.html

the point I was making was

it was the best career voice for Floyd to go at super featherweight than featherweight, boxing is different in modern times than it was back then

Again, Hamed was guaranteed 2 million a fight as a Featherweight all the way back in 1997 and made 6.5 million to fight MAB in 2001. Floyd vs Naseem Hamed would've been possibly the GOAT Featherweight fight and each would've made big money like Hamed did against Barrera.

What you're saying doesnt make sense, because it's not true. You're just talking without any facts at this point. You're defenseless while Im teeing off on you like Bernard Hopkins vs Kelly Pavlik

I was merely pointing out the fact that Floyd was smaller coming into a division than his competition

the same as Armstrong

Armstrong is only ranked as middleweight because jr middleweight didn't exists, but he has never fought a real middleweight

Garcia was a legit Middleweight Champion in his era


He beat a HOFer, and one of the best all-time Middleweights to acquire the title