The African Traditional And Diasporic Religions Thread (Santeria, IFA, 21 Divisions, Sanse + etc)

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Syncretism with Catholic saints is commonplace. Now what a person does based upon their personal tastes is solely on that invididual. When one makes Santo then they can do what they want regarding how they operate their ilè. Just because you can do a lot of things doesn't necessarily mean that one should. I adhere to tradition and don't believe in cuttin' corners to appease to folks' sensibilities or personal tastes so if there's any syncretism, I'm gonna adhere to that. Da thing of it is, these traditions can be practiced side by side with Catholicism, Christianity, etc. (not at all saying that those ideologies mesh, correspond or compliment each other) . so to those that are unaware, it'd be hard to tell. But yes, you'll see syncretism regarding quite a few traditions.
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Tell me if I'm off base. I've researched since 2008.


Black people are Gods. The entirety of Black ancestral religions lead to that point. All the Orisha were deified humans. From Shango to Elegua with the exception of maybe two, hell if you look at hatian vodoun people are deified after death. That's the proof of our connection to the Most High. Other black beliefs such as those from Kemet also seem to support this notion.
 

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@Guvnor @$cam-U-Well_Jack$on @Dip @The Odum of Ala Igbo

Tell me if I'm off base. I've researched since 2008.


Black people are Gods. The entirety of Black ancestral religions lead to that point. All the Orisha were deified humans. From Shango to Elegua with the exception of maybe two, hell if you look at hatian vodoun people are deified after death. That's the proof of our connection to the Most High. Other black beliefs such as those from Kemet also seem to support this notion.

People are not gods in Odinani. We are creations of the High God, Chukwu - who has given us life. After we die, we join the spirit world or Ala Muo before we're reincarnated again

Here's a map of Igbo cosmology:
igbo-cosmology.jpg
 

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People are not gods in Odinani. We are creations of the High God, Chukwu - who has given us life. After we die, we join the spirit world or Ala Muo before we're reincarnated again

Here's a map of Igbo cosmology:
igbo-cosmology.jpg
Thanks for this. Don't the Igbo have smaller Gods though as well. I could be confusing them with something else.
 

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@Guvnor @$cam-U-Well_Jack$on @Dip @The Odum of Ala Igbo

Tell me if I'm off base. I've researched since 2008.


Black people are Gods. The entirety of Black ancestral religions lead to that point. All the Orisha were deified humans. From Shango to Elegua with the exception of maybe two, hell if you look at hatian vodoun people are deified after death. That's the proof of our connection to the Most High. Other black beliefs such as those from Kemet also seem to support this notion.
I don't think all Orisha are defied humans, I mean there are cases where that happens like shango who was a king in Nigeria and a few others. However there are two ways I can explain this from my perspective and from an IFA perspective.

Firstly using an IFA perspective, while ancestors are important there is only one superior god known as olodumare. The other orishas work under him and the ancestors while they are very important and are honored, are not olodumare but they are extensions of the creator who walk with us but are in the spirit world. It's just as we are extensions of the creator, and the orishas are extensions of the creator representing elements or energy from the world around us.

Explaining it from my perspective and to make it simple, we create deities and our belief is what makes them come alive. There are phenomenons that happen around us we can't explain, the question of our existence that we try to explain and also people who do great things that we end up creating these stories about and creating deities out of them. If we are speaking on who is closer to god then it's definitely the black man and women if we are being honest. White people steal our culture and flip it and sanitize it making it suck. We are more spiritual certainly and the white man and women has done nothing but to destroy and steal in almost every single place they traveled to in our world. When you look at our people we are the ones who gave the world enlightenment, period. We were also here first I believe so when it comes to what the five percenters teach about the black man being god, I feel personally they were close but no cigar because we are not god. I feel all humans are extensions of god and have great potential but the black man and women have the greatest potential and we are closer to god.
 

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Do you guys wanna complie and African religious library for the Coli? And @Guvnor Can post it in the op?
Sounds like a great ideal and I like that ideal. However my only concern is piracy, authors work very hard and I don't want to take any money out of their pockets by promoting a link to what may be copyrighted material of works they put great effort into. That's their intellectual property at the end of the day however you posted a lot of books in your mega link and I may have one or two I can share but I'm not sure about this. How do the rest of you feel about it?
 
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