The African Traditional And Diasporic Religions Thread (Santeria, IFA, 21 Divisions, Sanse + etc)
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Trying to post a mega thread.Lol factsthanks a lot fam. Can't wait to dig in.
Does anyone have the IFA oudou?
Guvnor
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Well I know I got the dillogun one but I think I do got one from IFA, I'll have to check. Give me a day or two.
ODWIRA Online Radio by Odwirafo
Thank you for the collection. I saw that you had a host of Odwirafo's works, I am just adding the link to his BTR page where he goes in depth with an analysis of all the books, usually a couple per episode. I'd recommend anyone who is interested start with the Akradinbosom series, as was posted earlier in this thread. If you know what day of the week you are born on you can start moving towards the center from there. At least within the Akan system. He also has retrospective Ourstorical analyses of Nat Turner, Harriet Tubman, George Washington Carver, and Malcolm X through the lens of Traditional Afrikan Spiritutality.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/kamau301
This is another really good BTR show done by Kamau Makesi-Tehuti. He authored a book, "How To Make A Negro Christian" which is an exhaustive analysis of a pamphlet series by a white pastor george colcock-jones in instructing slaveholders how to christianize the negro for increased docility and subservience. He also has interviewed Odwirafo before and a host of other people in addition to providing many great resources on Traditional Afrikan Spirituality. I'd recommened checking out his "Resistance to Enslavement" series of six parts. In detail he reads from a selection of texts with the underlying theme being that our traditional spiritual systems were absolutely necessary in maintaining our Africanity and moving us as a people towards Liberation.
i know about the Akan naming system but what do you mean exactly?
i know about the Akan naming system but what do you mean exactly?
Within the Akan tradition, each particular day of the week is governed by a particular Abosom or deity. The day starts at sunrise ~6am, not like midnight as it is here (usa). For example, if you are born on a Tuesday, or Benada, and you are a male, your Kra or soul-consciousness is under the governorship of Bena, who can be likened to Ogun within the Ifa system or Ogou in the vodou system, or Heru Behdety in the Kemetic System.
What I mean towards moving towards the center is that you can begin to find qualities in Bena that are qualities of yours, thinking about it like how astrology "works." Bena can be also represented like how it was stolen and recharacterized as mars/ares within the roman and greek Mythology. If you know in astrology how Mars works, governing initiative activites, motivations, aggression and things, this is how Bena operates. Odwirafo talks about it more in depth in the Akradinbosom series. Further I mean that learning about how Bena works and the different qualities about you that can identified with the Abosom, you can then begin to understand more of the depth of Traditional Afrikan Spiritual systems and see how you are not only a piece of the puzzle, but an integral piece of the puzzle to make the bigger picture.
Guvnor
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Here is a couple links for you check out bro
Odù Ifá: Learn How To Interprete Ifa - Religion - Nigeria
Odù Ifá | Africa's Sources of Knowledge - Digital Library
Odu Ifa
Odu Ifa | Farinade Olokun
Ifa verses – markwmcginnis' blog
African Traditional Religion : - Sacred Odu selected verses 1 – “Righteousness”
Also here is a book but one thing I want to mention here is that the odu's are usually passed on orally. So with that being said these interpretations of the verses may be of some debate due to them differing ile to ile but here is a book that breaks down the verses
https://www.mediafire.com/file/yuye7gjloa66asb/3zdvi.IFA.D.C.B.G.a.M.i.W.A.pdf
I'll let you know if I find anymore books. I also have books breaking down the dillogun odu's too if you want that just let me know fam.
Guvnor
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Wow, I have to check these out pronto. I don't know much about the Akan system and the shows you posted seems interesting.
I stopped listening to BTR stuff because I was only finding wanna be psychic shows and Hebrew istrealite foolery but I'll check these shows out when I get some time. Appreciate you sharing man.
thanks breh. will look into it. i'm pretty sure i have Akan ancestry so this is very interesting to me.
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Yenni aseda, there is a lot of nonsense out there so I appreciate in turn the works of yours, @The Hierophant and everyone else in this thread posting Real Ourstorical information. There is plenty of dis/mis-information out there, as you pointed out, to lead us astray. This has been going on far too long.
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I found this author recently and I have purchased two of his books. He writes down from Alabama somewhere. It is important to point out, as he and as Odwirafo do, specifically in the Harriet Tubman and GWC episodes that I mentioned before, that there is a geographical/geological difference in the Traditional Afrikan Spirituality that we can practice here in the states vs the Continent. This goes for all of us born throughout the diaspora. As when we were enslaved, there had been plants that we had never seen before, of very different botanical families and such, which served the same functions, as our practices took on a very different tone. (Think about it how as we migrated from the Lower Kingdom throughout the rest of the Continent, the Bantu languages retain some similar words with the same concepts, but remain largely unique and different languages [the Ori Yoruba-Kemet connection previously stated in this thread]) I have not visited the different videos to see that they hit this point, but I am sure the comparison videos between Lukumi and Ifa, for example, hit this point also.
His books focus on Vodun and Ifa, and their manifestations on this part of the Earth (Asase Yaa/Asase Afua in the Akan Tradition). I quoted that post specifically to show his compilation of the Odu Ifa and another one of his books on Ifa. I do like his work and Odwirafo's because of the I guess, Afrikan-in-amerikkka approach to it.
Another video series I want us to check out is the Foundations of Afrikan Thought series done by Dr. Obadele Kambon of the University of Ghana and AbibitumiKasa. Here he elaborates in a lecture format about our cosmologies. The cosmological aspects of our spiritual systems are, imho, more important to over/inner/understand before you can begin casting kola shells and drawing veves.
It is important for us to financially support us, because as an Afram proverb states, We All We Got.
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Guvnor
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Thanks and glad you appreciate the info I shared, I also appreciate you sharing the info you did as well as the info about this author because I honestly didnt know any of that lol. I have yet to really dig into this book yet but will as soon as I get some time as well as the videos you posted.
You touched on a great point regarding the difference between us practicing here in the states versus those in Africa so I'm glad the author takes that into account. I mean think about it not only are the plants different but even our culture is different and acculturation has taken place where we picked up some elements of different cultures, an example of this is the term alaafia being used in IFA, alaafia I hear is a Muslim word. Some people in IFA even say assalamualaikum. When people of different cultures cross paths it's natural this will happen.
Another thing that happened is syncretism where we blended our practices with other practices to keep it going as done to its lucumi Orishas worship and catholcisim. Aside from that as you mentioned the plants were different due to this being a different area geographically but even some knowledge was forgotten I'm sure and some more knowledge was added on to it which I'm sure will happen with IFA since it is largely an oral tradition. This works like a game of telephone where if you have a room full of people and you whisper in one persons ear a message and you allow that message to go around the room from one person to the next by way of whispering, by the time that message gets to the last person it will change. This is why it's important imo that we write some of this down though at the same time it's only natural things will change and evolve with IFA and other African spiritual systems. It's also important we write from an African American perspective as well so I salute this authour.
I will definitely purchase a copy of his book when I'm able to get some money together because right now my money is kind of tight but you are right. We have to support our people when we can because many times we support white people, you might as well put some of your money when you can in the hands of our people and communities.