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The African Traditional And Diasporic Religions Thread (Santeria, IFA, 21 Divisions, Sanse + etc)
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For one, mAa.t is not "maat.." That is Egyptology speak. The term mAa.t consists of 4 consonants:/ m-r-k-t/ or/ m-r-h-t/. The m- is a fossilized prefix and the -t is an active suffix in ancient ciKam. Thus, the historical root is/ r-k/ or /r-h/. The historical consonant structure is actually /k-k/ in which the initial k- has gone through several mutations (given certain vowel environments) giving us the following dialect forms:
k-k
k-ng
t-ng
d-ng
l-ng
The word dingo-dingo takes on the d-ng form. While di.Kenga, without the di- prefix, takes on the k-ng form.
The word "maat" in Kalenjiin is actually a word for "fire." They have totally separate words for "order, truth, justice, etc." Their word cognate with mAa.t is actually /rach/ "Gather together. Make tidy. Put in order. Arrange properly." They have a word /mฤฤ/ or /mat/ meaning "not" and "don't" that applies to the "do's and don'ts" of the culture. In other words, it refers to their taboos or code of conduct. However, the word mAa.t has to do with a "path, road"(< "foot") and in Egyptian the direct root form is given as /mA.t/ "way, path" (Budge 276b) and the Kalenjiin say /maat/ to mean "road, path" and is used in reference to "lineage". Egyptian /h/, /H/, /a/, /A/, /X/ are lost in Kalenjiin. Thus, the missing -A- in /mA.t/ forces the pronunciation of the long /a/ in Kalenjiin /maat/ "road, path" > "lineage, family." From Egyptian /mA.t/ "path, way" we get /mAa.t/ "truth, justice, etc." The -a is a suffix in /mAa.t/.
Another way to depict mAa.t in the Kongo is an ever expanding spiral whose process is called dingo-dingo.
k-k
k-ng
t-ng
d-ng
l-ng
The word dingo-dingo takes on the d-ng form. While di.Kenga, without the di- prefix, takes on the k-ng form.
The word "maat" in Kalenjiin is actually a word for "fire." They have totally separate words for "order, truth, justice, etc." Their word cognate with mAa.t is actually /rach/ "Gather together. Make tidy. Put in order. Arrange properly." They have a word /mฤฤ/ or /mat/ meaning "not" and "don't" that applies to the "do's and don'ts" of the culture. In other words, it refers to their taboos or code of conduct. However, the word mAa.t has to do with a "path, road"(< "foot") and in Egyptian the direct root form is given as /mA.t/ "way, path" (Budge 276b) and the Kalenjiin say /maat/ to mean "road, path" and is used in reference to "lineage". Egyptian /h/, /H/, /a/, /A/, /X/ are lost in Kalenjiin. Thus, the missing -A- in /mA.t/ forces the pronunciation of the long /a/ in Kalenjiin /maat/ "road, path" > "lineage, family." From Egyptian /mA.t/ "path, way" we get /mAa.t/ "truth, justice, etc." The -a is a suffix in /mAa.t/.
Another way to depict mAa.t in the Kongo is an ever expanding spiral whose process is called dingo-dingo.
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-Code talking differs from cryptology in that it is based on features of the languages itself, and beings essentially spoken, obeys the phonological rules of languages. They are at least 4 code talking systems that exist: simple disordering of syllables in a word and words in sentence; adding null tags to syllable units; substitution of tags; use of vowel numbers.
Code-talking or what Franklin & Rodman have called "language games" apparently because of its simpler system when compared with cryptology has been largely neglected in most languages apart from Denise Francois article 'Le Contrepet" in which, using various examples from other French writers.
Code-talking is used to create secret languages. The desire to prevent a individuals message from getting into the handsof the enemy has existed from time immemorial. This is what modern cryptology is all about. The systems of codes used by governemnts and other bodies have become so elaborate that special code books and dictionaires have to be used. Code-talking, has to obey at least the phonological rules of the language.
Ena has very intriguting insights into phonological and to a certain extent grammatical nature of the Yoruba language. At least 4 code-talking systems have been discovered within the Yoruba language. It is however difficult to say when exactlythese systems came intouse. Oro asoti niije omoo mi gbena.
[If your child understands your code language, it is because you share the secret.) The members of Ena is slowly disappearing among members of highly westernized and urbanized families.
The Simplest Disordering of Syllables in a Word and of Words in a sentence.
This is the simplest system because no extraneous material is introduced to confuse the enemy.Only the normal grammatical order of the words of the sentence is altered. Like: Mo fee lo soko ( I want to go to the form) can get encoded in Lo moo fe koso. Even though there arent any strict rules about disordering the words in sentence,there are rules about the tone pattern of a sentence.
Mo fee lo soko - M HH M HM and
Lo moo fe koso - M HH M HM
It is one of the greatest guides towards decoding of the message. The tone phoneme position in Yoruba is perhaps more crucial than that of myother phoneme. Drum language depends on this.Once a tone pattern is given several sentences are possible on that possible that pattern. One readily remembers the drum signal of the Nigerian broadcasting Service with the tone pattern:
This is gerian casting ----> H
broad ser ---> M
the Ni vice ----> L
which had been creatively interpreted into many possible sentences some of which are: Bolybadon ba ku ta ni o joye? {When the Olu badon dies, who will ascend the throne?) , Belo Ganga ngungan onimu oru [Huge Belo with nose like smallpot],O jegede dudu inu n ta boun [he ate green plaintains, his belly is swelling.] The relevance of this is that a tone pattern of clear retained in the message in system one, helps in the correct ordering of the words already provided. A speaker of the Yoruba language will find that words in the message bear strange tones and will try to see which tones go with which words in his experiences. Went one is able to do this,the re-ordering of words becomes easier.
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- Code talking varies from cryptology in that it depends on elements of the dialects itself, and creatures basically talked, complies with the phonological tenets of dialects. They are no less than 4 code talking frameworks that exist: basic scattering of syllables in a word and words in sentence ; adding null tags to syllable units; substitution of labels; utilization of vowel numbers.
Code-talking or what Franklin and Rodman have called "dialect recreations" obviously in light of its easier framework when contrasted and cryptology has been to a great extent disregarded in many dialects separated from Denise Francois article 'Le Contrepet" in which, utilizing different cases from other French authors.
Code-talking is utilized to make mystery dialects. The craving to keep a people message from getting into the handsof the foe has existed from time immemorial. This is what really matters to current cryptology. The frameworks of codes utilized by governemnts and different bodies have turned out to be elaborate to the point that exceptional code books and dictionaires must be utilized. Code-talking, needs to obey in any event the phonological principles of the dialect.
Ena has extremely intriguting bits of knowledge into phonological and to a specific degree syntactic nature of the Yoruba dialect. No less than 4 code-talking frameworks have been found inside the Yoruba dialect. It is however hard to state when exactlythese frameworks came intouse. Oro asoti niije omoo mi gbena.
[If your tyke comprehends your code dialect, it is on the grounds that you share the mystery.) The individuals from Ena is gradually vanishing among individuals from exceptionally westernized and urbanized families.
The Simplest Disordering of Syllables in a Word and of Words in a sentence.
This is the least difficult framework on the grounds that no incidental material is acquainted with to confound the enemy.Only the ordinary syntactic request of the expressions of the sentence is changed. Like: Mo charge lo soko (I want to go to the farm) can get encoded in Lo moo fe koso. Despite the fact that there arent any strict principles about disarranging the words in sentence,there are standards about the tone; example of a sentence.
Mo fee lo soko - M HH M HM and
Lo moo fe koso - M HH M HM
It is one of the best aides towards disentangling of the message. The tone phoneme position in Yoruba is maybe more pivotal than that of any other phoneme. Drum dialect relies on upon this.Once a tone example is given a few sentences are conceivable on that conceivable that example. One promptly recalls the drum flag of the Nigerian telecom Service with the tone design:
This is gerian throwing - > H
wide ser - > M
the Ni bad habit - > L
which had been inventively translated into numerous conceivable sentences some of which are: Bolybadon ba ku ta ni o joye? {When the Olu badon kicks the bucket, who will rise the position of authority?) , Belo Ganga ngungan onimu oru [Huge Belo with nose like smallpot],O jegede dudu inu n ta boun [he ate green plaintains, his paunch is swelling.] The importance of this is a tone example of clear held in the message in framework one, helps in the right requesting of the words as of now gave. A speaker of the Yoruba dialect will find that words in the message bear abnormal tones and will attempt to see which tones run with which words in his encounters. Went one can do this,the re-requesting of words winds up plainly simpler
Code-talking or what Franklin & Rodman have called "language games" apparently because of its simpler system when compared with cryptology has been largely neglected in most languages apart from Denise Francois article 'Le Contrepet" in which, using various examples from other French writers.
Code-talking is used to create secret languages. The desire to prevent a individuals message from getting into the handsof the enemy has existed from time immemorial. This is what modern cryptology is all about. The systems of codes used by governemnts and other bodies have become so elaborate that special code books and dictionaires have to be used. Code-talking, has to obey at least the phonological rules of the language.
Ena has very intriguting insights into phonological and to a certain extent grammatical nature of the Yoruba language. At least 4 code-talking systems have been discovered within the Yoruba language. It is however difficult to say when exactlythese systems came intouse. Oro asoti niije omoo mi gbena.
[If your child understands your code language, it is because you share the secret.) The members of Ena is slowly disappearing among members of highly westernized and urbanized families.
The Simplest Disordering of Syllables in a Word and of Words in a sentence.
This is the simplest system because no extraneous material is introduced to confuse the enemy.Only the normal grammatical order of the words of the sentence is altered. Like: Mo fee lo soko ( I want to go to the form) can get encoded in Lo moo fe koso. Even though there arent any strict rules about disordering the words in sentence,there are rules about the tone pattern of a sentence.
Mo fee lo soko - M HH M HM and
Lo moo fe koso - M HH M HM
It is one of the greatest guides towards decoding of the message. The tone phoneme position in Yoruba is perhaps more crucial than that of myother phoneme. Drum language depends on this.Once a tone pattern is given several sentences are possible on that possible that pattern. One readily remembers the drum signal of the Nigerian broadcasting Service with the tone pattern:
This is gerian casting ----> H
broad ser ---> M
the Ni vice ----> L
which had been creatively interpreted into many possible sentences some of which are: Bolybadon ba ku ta ni o joye? {When the Olu badon dies, who will ascend the throne?) , Belo Ganga ngungan onimu oru [Huge Belo with nose like smallpot],O jegede dudu inu n ta boun [he ate green plaintains, his belly is swelling.] The relevance of this is that a tone pattern of clear retained in the message in system one, helps in the correct ordering of the words already provided. A speaker of the Yoruba language will find that words in the message bear strange tones and will try to see which tones go with which words in his experiences. Went one is able to do this,the re-ordering of words becomes easier.
===================================================================================
- Code talking varies from cryptology in that it depends on elements of the dialects itself, and creatures basically talked, complies with the phonological tenets of dialects. They are no less than 4 code talking frameworks that exist: basic scattering of syllables in a word and words in sentence ; adding null tags to syllable units; substitution of labels; utilization of vowel numbers.
Code-talking or what Franklin and Rodman have called "dialect recreations" obviously in light of its easier framework when contrasted and cryptology has been to a great extent disregarded in many dialects separated from Denise Francois article 'Le Contrepet" in which, utilizing different cases from other French authors.
Code-talking is utilized to make mystery dialects. The craving to keep a people message from getting into the handsof the foe has existed from time immemorial. This is what really matters to current cryptology. The frameworks of codes utilized by governemnts and different bodies have turned out to be elaborate to the point that exceptional code books and dictionaires must be utilized. Code-talking, needs to obey in any event the phonological principles of the dialect.
Ena has extremely intriguting bits of knowledge into phonological and to a specific degree syntactic nature of the Yoruba dialect. No less than 4 code-talking frameworks have been found inside the Yoruba dialect. It is however hard to state when exactlythese frameworks came intouse. Oro asoti niije omoo mi gbena.
[If your tyke comprehends your code dialect, it is on the grounds that you share the mystery.) The individuals from Ena is gradually vanishing among individuals from exceptionally westernized and urbanized families.
The Simplest Disordering of Syllables in a Word and of Words in a sentence.
This is the least difficult framework on the grounds that no incidental material is acquainted with to confound the enemy.Only the ordinary syntactic request of the expressions of the sentence is changed. Like: Mo charge lo soko (I want to go to the farm) can get encoded in Lo moo fe koso. Despite the fact that there arent any strict principles about disarranging the words in sentence,there are standards about the tone; example of a sentence.
Mo fee lo soko - M HH M HM and
Lo moo fe koso - M HH M HM
It is one of the best aides towards disentangling of the message. The tone phoneme position in Yoruba is maybe more pivotal than that of any other phoneme. Drum dialect relies on upon this.Once a tone example is given a few sentences are conceivable on that conceivable that example. One promptly recalls the drum flag of the Nigerian telecom Service with the tone design:
This is gerian throwing - > H
wide ser - > M
the Ni bad habit - > L
which had been inventively translated into numerous conceivable sentences some of which are: Bolybadon ba ku ta ni o joye? {When the Olu badon kicks the bucket, who will rise the position of authority?) , Belo Ganga ngungan onimu oru [Huge Belo with nose like smallpot],O jegede dudu inu n ta boun [he ate green plaintains, his paunch is swelling.] The importance of this is a tone example of clear held in the message in framework one, helps in the right requesting of the words as of now gave. A speaker of the Yoruba dialect will find that words in the message bear abnormal tones and will attempt to see which tones run with which words in his encounters. Went one can do this,the re-requesting of words winds up plainly simpler
CEITEDMOFO
Banned
Kinds related but I notice jay z threw a lot of references to IFA in his songs on the new album.
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacleยฎ
Santeria cartoon being made, check it out guys
รrun รiyรฉ - The Orisha Animation Movie
Also an Orisha film
oriinu1
Trailer:
Put us on bro, tells us about your experience?
รrun รiyรฉ - The Orisha Animation Movie
Also an Orisha film
oriinu1
Trailer:
Like what? I know he threw one on Pound Cake with the "El Gran Santo on the mantle ยท Case y'all didn't know, I speak Spanish too" line. Plus I seen what Beyonce been doing since Lemonade.
You practice voodooRead my sig.
Put us on bro, tells us about your experience?
CEITEDMOFO
Banned
I forget what the specific tracks but I was discussing it with a friend on
on track he says some like
A nikka got all white on giving that Beyonce is starting to delved into IFA ( I assume since they be in new Orleans)
It made me think of Iyawo where initiates where white.
Also he has a line where he says something like my wifey in the kitchen feeding the kids liquid gold at 1st I was thinking monoatomic gold or ormus but iirc Osun is known for feeding children liquid honey.
Not really a jigga fan but I found it to be witty.
on track he says some like
A nikka got all white on giving that Beyonce is starting to delved into IFA ( I assume since they be in new Orleans)
It made me think of Iyawo where initiates where white.
Also he has a line where he says something like my wifey in the kitchen feeding the kids liquid gold at 1st I was thinking monoatomic gold or ormus but iirc Osun is known for feeding children liquid honey.
Not really a jigga fan but I found it to be witty.
$cam-U-Well_Jack$on
Superstar
Boost.
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacleยฎ
i myself thought what the hell does he mean by liquid gold and wrote it off saying must be some rich people shyt. You're right though fam, good ear. I didn't hear the all white line but I'll listen again with a fine tooth comb this time They took a trip to Cuba some time back so that explains a lot too.
CEITEDMOFO
Banned
Check out tata ngolo on youtube and fb.
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacleยฎ
You sure he legit? I seen him on youtube before but first thing that popped up when I typed in his name was that he a fraud and he also one of them brothers who promise results in all kind of spell work and things like that. You got to be careful with those kinds of people because it's one thing if he is talking about the religion but I'm not to sure about folks who do spell work for people online and make promises about things like getting people money and what not. Not saying he is a fraud but be careful.
CEITEDMOFO
Banned
Some of his stuff is correct like certain tidbits about Palo.
He was going thru it with some guy name Leonard and his followers. A lot of mudslinging between the followers in both circles.
Guvnor
Da Speculative Spectacleยฎ
Yeah I looked at his youtube page and see him and Leonard both going back and forth
real non-senseThough I see here he is saying one thing that is right about the fact you need to be initiated to do Palo
I see some folks saying you can work Palo without initiation but that's not exactly true from my understanding of. I at least can respect him for that and he might be legit after all.
$cam-U-Well_Jack$on
Superstar
You absolutely can't do anything regarding Palo if you haven't gotten scratched. And both Tata Ngolo and Elmera are petty as fukk. It boils down to neither wanting to lose clientele. Ngolo is a suspected charlatan. Better yet, anything worth knowing (especially regarding Palo) ain't gon' be published on these YouTube channels and any a$$hole can post a video and act like he/she is a somebodies. Most of them muthafukkas are narcissists.
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CEITEDMOFO
Banned
True.
I find him to have certain talking points that are right. As far as the other stuff like hermeticsism that he spoke on ...its not a interest of mine. Main thing is to absorb those things you feel are right and discard which you don't need.
I find him to have certain talking points that are right. As far as the other stuff like hermeticsism that he spoke on ...its not a interest of mine. Main thing is to absorb those things you feel are right and discard which you don't need.