The 2024 Baltimore Ravens thread

[Shamayw_33]

Im not mad at the Queen pick but im pretty pissed right now about the Chiefs getting Clyde Edwards-Helaire

still some decent WRs we could get in round 2

Denzel Mims
Tee Higgins
KJ Hamler
Michael Pittman Jr

I think we definitely go WR with one of the 2nds and probably pass rusher with the other one

RB and guard with the 3rd round picks

Cam Akers is a better back and he fits the Ravens system pretty well IMO. He's like a younger Mark Ingram. Gibson from Memphis is also a very good back that fits the Ravens system. Akers should be available at pick 55 or 60. I've even seen some mock drafts with Akers and Gibson being available at pick 92 which would be an even bigger value.

If the Ravens can pick Pittman Jr. at 55 and Madubuike from Texas A&M at 60 those are both A+ selections. I think the Ravens need to produce more interior pressure and get Ferguson and Judon to set better edges, so the sacks can start racking up. Pressure from one or the other side doesn't produce as many sacks or cause as much havoc as interior pressure.

 

[Shamayw_33]

One of many scouting reports on Patrick Queen.

The knock on him is his inability at times to get off blocks. The Ravens will need Wolfe, Williams and Campbell to keep him clean to get the most out of him atleast until his strength improves and he adds about 10-15lbs to his frame. Anyway, here's the report:

Football IQ - He's sharp! Sees things quicker than his teammates and routinely will get to the spot before blockers have a chance to square him up. Effective communicator and was tasked with a lot of different roles in college defense — excelled as a blitzer, scrape defender and in zone drops in pass coverage.

Tackling - Explosive finishes thanks to dynamic short area quickness and plus length. He's got plus reach and his body mobility allows him to drive into tackle challenges when crashing late. He doesn't offer a ton of thud to stonewall backs but he's a confident fill tackler and doesn't let backs slip through grip.

Block Shedding - Length helps him here a fair bit. He doesn't showcase exceptional hand power to stonewall blockers but he times his hand challenges well and has the lateral mobility to drop step and slide off of contact. He's slippery in gap shoots to get skinny and barrel through tight spaces for penetration.

Competitive Toughness - Routinely a "first to the football" rally defender. His effort and range are phenomenal and he's gone 30+ yards down field in pursuit. His functional power isn't where he hangs his hat and best case scenario in tight quarters is to stalemate and stay low to leverage and hold ground, but that's not where he shines.

Lateral Mobility - Fluid. His foot speed is excellent and allows for effortless redirection skills and mirror ability as backs press the LOS. His sideline to sideline range is something special — he's an effortless mover who flips his hips open without worry and can run down plays from the weak side if he's left unaccounted.

Coverage Skills - His INT vs. Alabama (2019) was a thing of beauty. His understanding of routes and when/where to shade his landmarks are next level and as a result he's constantly flashing underneath throws in the MOF. Peripheral vision and anticipation shine through here as well. Didn't get a lot of looks in man to man.

Gap Shooting Ability - Short area quickness and trigger ability allow him to crash the party with regularity. Was the "attack" LB on the second level this year and with his slipperiness vs. first contact, explosive first step and anticipation he's proven to be quite the headache up front and must be accounted for on stretch runs to avoid penetration.

Feet/COD - One of his best qualities. He's effortless in shallow steps, staying square and playing from a firm base in all phases. He's smooth, fluid and produces great force on off-kilter base or in redirection efforts. Rarely wastes steps and that provides great efficiency to arrive quickly to the football in traffic.

Flexibility - His loose hips allow him to hinge and carry routes peeling around his zone with suddenness. He's able to coil and explode through his hips to drive forward or transfer through his core and deliver powerful blows with his pads. Lateral tilt when his tackle radius is tested is strong and helps to maximize his radius.

First Step Explosiveness - He's got a ton of burst. His ability to cover ground of out his read steps will put him in prime position to challenge blockers on the plus side of the LOS. His blitzing skills are strong in both A-gap alignment at the LOS and when he's aligned off the football and given room to twist or peel into interior gaps.

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Best Trait - Fluidity

Worst Trait - Functional Power

Best Film - Clemson (2019)

Worst Film - UCF (2018)

Red Flags - None

Summary - Patrick Queen projects well as a starting linebacker in the NFL — he's got the sideline to sideline range to step into a MIKE role and has the impact in pass coverage to serve as a three down linebacker — a critical blend that should significantly help boost his value. Queen isn't a thud linebacker and excels most when he's afforded free range to scrape and flow, but his football IQ does allow him to beat blockers to the spot. He's an impact starter and a viable plug and play rookie.

 

[Shamayw_33]

Patrick Queen*, OLB, LSU
Height: 6-1. Weight: 227.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2020): 1-2.
2/15/20: In speaking with sources, they thought Queen would be a late first-round or second-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, depending on how he tests in the pre-draft workouts. Queen is a fast linebacker who can go sideline-to-sideline and has three-down starting potential for the next level. He has special speed and athleticism that make him a valuable linebacker in pass coverage. In 2019, Queen totaled 85 tackles with three sacks, an interception, and two passes defended. He was red hot to close the season and was a key defender for the National Champions.

Reposting ths for those that wanted to see some film on the newest Raven.

 

[STAN JONES]

Cam Akers isnt worth a 2nd.I wouldnt take him before the 4th

JK Dobbins is the next RB I want since Edwards-Helaire is gone

Im hoping we need to trade up for Mims or Higgins cause I think the rest of he good WRs will be gone by the time we pick tomorrow

Then take Terrell Lewis or Gallimore with our other 2nd round pick

I also wouldnt be surprised if we double dipped at ILB and took a Willie Gay Jr or Josh Uche in the 3rd or 4th round

gonna be interesting to see what we do with multiple picks in the 2nd,3rd,and 4th rounds

 

[Rob's al Ghul]

So what do we really think about this pick, bruhs?

Lot of the talking heads are saying we hit a home run, but (I'm sure it's because of his size) I can't shake the feeling this dude might be Arthur Brown 2.0.

If we were going MLB I'd have tried to trade up to get Murray, especially since he only went a few spots ahead of us.

In EDC I trust, though...let's see what these next couple rounds bring.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Queen was a good pick. He filled the most obvious need for the team. They needed someone who can go sideline to sideline and cover in the middle of the field

 

[Shamayw_33]

Cam Akers isnt worth a 2nd.I wouldnt take him before the 4th

JK Dobbins is the next RB I want since Edwards-Helaire is gone

Im hoping we need to trade up for Mims or Higgins cause I think the rest of he good WRs will be gone by the time we pick tomorrow

Then take Terrell Lewis or Gallimore with our other 2nd round pick

I also wouldnt be surprised if we double dipped at ILB and took a Willie Gay Jr or Josh Uche in the 3rd or 4th round

gonna be interesting to see what we do with multiple picks in the 2nd,3rd,and 4th rounds

The knock on Dobbins is the amount of carries he had at Ohio State. Some teams are leary of his longterm availability.

Terrell Lewis has failed medical exams by over half of the NFL teams How Tua passed and Terrell didn't is a conspiracy in itself. Terrell might go much much later, like a late day 2 early day 3 pick.

I agree with them possibly double dipping, but I can see them picking up Shaquille Quarterman. Only because he's more of the enforcer guy in the middle and he's projected to be a much later pick than Gay. shyt, they might even go Anfernee Jennings because he can play inside and outside, but he's a developmental guy. I'm seeing Patrick Queen in coverage situations and spying, and some blitzing. They'll be on the field together majority of the time, but Quarterman might step off on obvious passing down situations.

What about Chris Board or Alaka being that big bodied enforcer guy and the Ravens not picking another ILB?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Im not mad at the Queen pick but im pretty pissed right now about the Chiefs getting Clyde Edwards-Helaire

still some decent WRs we could get in round 2

Denzel Mims
Tee Higgins
KJ Hamler
Michael Pittman Jr

I think we definitely go WR with one of the 2nds and probably pass rusher with the other one

RB and guard with the 3rd round picks

No concern that Hollywood Brown and Hamler are too similar

 

[Shamayw_33]

What do yawl think of the Ravens relying on Ben Powers and Mekari taking steps in the right direction and not drafting an interior olineman early? I thought Ruiz was the only one worthy of being drafted before the 3rd. Some people like Hunt and Cushenberry, but I think the Ravens need to get more dynamic in the passing game for obvious reasons and get bigger on the dline so they can play more bully ball and control the line of scrimmage.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

What do yawl think of the Ravens relying on Ben Powers and Mekari taking steps in the right direction and not drafting an interior olineman early? I thought Ruiz was the only one worthy of being drafted before the 3rd. Some people like Hunt and Cushenberry, but I think the Ravens need to get more dynamic in the passing game for obvious reasons and get bigger on the dline so they can play more bully ball and control the line of scrimmage.

Yea I’m not sold on those two. Tbh I could see them drafting at o line but also waiting for some cheap veterans to get cut

 

[Shamayw_33]

No concern that Hollywood Brown and Hamler are too similar

That's my concern as well. I know they want a track team like KC, but I'm more concerned about what the Ravens actually do well which is RUN THE DAMN BALL. Say what you want about Boykin as a receiver, but as a blocker, he's clutch. Hamler and Hollywood are little dudes (both roughly 5'9 under 190lbs and neither scrappy) and can't be expected to hold blocks down the field and you can only have them run deep routes hoping the corners don't turn around for so long. Which also brings up another point regarding coverage. I don't think Hollywood and Hamler are good at getting off the LOS against press coverage. So, the Ravens will have scrony dudes on the outside that can't get off the LOS and can't hold blocks, which forces them to run in between the tackles with a newer unproven interior oline

 

[Shamayw_33]

More film on Patrick Queen. This video highlights some of his abilities in diagnosing the play and meeting the RB and/or blockers in the hole. He's super fast and should improve with experience. Ravens dline gotta keep him clean though until he bulks up.

 

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Ravens need a WR, and since they pick late in the 2nd round, there are little hopes of getting anyone very good.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

That's my concern as well. I know they want a track team like KC, but I'm more concerned about what the Ravens actually do well which is RUN THE DAMN BALL. Say what you want about Boykin as a receiver, but as a blocker, he's clutch. Hamler and Hollywood are little dudes (both roughly 5'9 under 190lbs and neither scrappy) and can't be expected to hold blocks down the field and you can only have them run deep routes hoping the corners don't turn around for so long. Which also brings up another point regarding coverage. I don't think Hollywood and Hamler are good at getting off the LOS against press coverage. So, the Ravens will have scrony dudes on the outside that can't get off the LOS and can't hold blocks, which forces them to run in between the tackles with a newer unproven interior oline

Also Lamar is still much better at throwing in breaking routes/middle of the field. Need a physical guy that can get YAC.

Need a Deebo Samuel type.

 

[STAN JONES]

So what do we really think about this pick, bruhs?

Lot of the talking heads are saying we hit a home run, but (I'm sure it's because of his size) I can't shake the feeling this dude might be Arthur Brown 2.0.

If we were going MLB I'd have tried to trade up to get Murray, especially since he only went a few spots ahead of us.

In EDC I trust, though...let's see what these next couple rounds bring.

I tried to convince myself to like the pick but truthfully i hate it

I also got Arthur Brown vibes from dude plus hes a one year wonder who really was only great for a half season

Even if he turns out to be solid,I just think taking a LB was stupid

Its not an important position in todays nfl.If we were gonna go defense I’d rather go pass rusher or secondary

we saw last year that we don’t need top end talent at ILB to be successful

we went 14-2 using guys we picked up off the street in the middle of the season

The way the board fell I would’ve took Antione Winfield Jr or traded down

I don’t give a damn about Earl still being here.Hes trash as a FS.Winfield would’ve been a big upgrade.Then we could slide over to SS and use Clark as the 3rd safety

Would’ve loved Edwards-Helaire at 28 too

We better get a receiver early in the 2nd or we’re fukked

we’re not winning shyt with Hollywood as our only decent receiver