Tech Industry job layoffs looking scary

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Easier to import than train the existing population
American companies can import cheap labor but, American citizens can't import cheap electric vehicles from China lol. And the cheap labor these companies are importing seem to be messing shyt up, maybe it might be in their best interest to train the local population instead.
 

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You don’t really need to “code” with AI per se. You need to know how to read documentation, and troubleshoot/research solutions to problems. I’ve used AI to build with Python, C++, Golang, Next, Svelte, Tauri, Wails and React. And I never learned any of those languages. Learning the file structure and how it all interacts is the most I’ve actually “learned” per ce. And I’m a novice. So a programmer with 10 years of experience can use AI to replace 2 - 3 junior developers working on the same project.

That’s why once I saw the industry trends last year I stopped considering looking for a job as a self taught developer. I’d be better off building my own apps and create a tech start up :manny:


The way folks are using AI to write code essentially guarantees that AI will indeed take over tech work. And the more users that engage in this activity, the faster this is realized.

And using AI, in the absence of real world experience, will bring you to a level that is on par with the average novice.
 

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The way folks are using AI to write code essentially guarantees that AI will indeed take over tech work. And the more users that engage in this activity, the faster this is realized.

And using AI, in the absence of real world experience, will bring you to a level that is on par with the average novice.
Just wait until something breaks :wow:
 

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The way folks are using AI to write code essentially guarantees that AI will indeed take over tech work. And the more users that engage in this activity, the faster this is realized.

And using AI, in the absence of real world experience, will bring you to a level that is on par with the average novice.
Not if you ask the AI to explain the code it wrote :mjlol: I know more about Svelte, Tauri, Golang and Wails in the two months I’ve used them, than JavaScript which I studied for over a year.

A lot of the times, I have to read documentation before writing a prompt because the AI doesn’t know everything. Especially if there’s a major update. A new version is Wails was released, but the AI was giving me code based on an older version. So you still have to be a good detective and show some type of technical aptitude. And it still takes hundreds of man hours.
 

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Not if you ask the AI to explain the code it wrote :mjlol: I know more about Svelte, Tauri, Golang and Wails in the two months I’ve used them, than JavaScript which I studied for over a year.

A lot of the times, I have to read documentation before writing a prompt because the AI doesn’t know everything. Especially if there’s a major update. A new version is Wails was released, but the AI was giving me code based on an older version. So you still have to be a good detective and show some type of technical aptitude. And it still takes hundreds of man hours.

Yeah, this is very true. Tech moves too fast. Legacy systems and knowledge are what it’s better at.

If it falls behind by a year on news/releases/etc., it falls BEHIND. They don’t call it the bleeding edge for nothing.
 

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The “innovations”/A.I guy at our company is leaving. I asked to be a co-contributor with dude a couple years back to get the A.I tools going and to learn more about A.I. They kept me in my current project because they were short-staffed while dude built up the entire A.I suite by themselves.

Now they want me to take it over because of my background in EE/Math and what I know about the company/ecosystem.

Yeah fukking right :mjlol: :heh:

Two years of systems that guy built by himself, good luck with the 2 weeks of onboarding!
 
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Yeah, this is very true. Tech moves too fast. Legacy systems and knowledge are what it’s better at.

If it falls behind by a year on news/releases/etc., it falls BEHIND. They don’t call it the bleeding edge for nothing.
Claude hasn't been updated since April. It was trying to tell me the version of Wails I was running didn't exist. I had to literally give it the link to the website so it could see for itself.

I've sent it links to stack overflow, github and reddit threads, so it can find solutions to issues. Basically all the stuff normal software developers do. And all of these models get shyt wrong. And all of them are never updated on a regular basis, so you can't trust them.

Another issue i've run into is if you ask it to build a code file. It's never the same. Because there are multiple ways you can write it could literally write 200 lines of code and you ask to check it and it will keep changing it.

It's also limited in how much code it can write at one time. I think the limit is around 400 lines. So if you're writing a file that's over 1000 + lines it won't be able to write all of it. It also forgets shyt. Even if the keep the same conversation going for days, it still won't remember everything. If you ask it to revise a code file, it will some times alter the entire file. So you have to take a ton of notes during the process. When you create a new chat, you basically have to start over and explain everything in detail to get it up to speed. And then there's the tokens. You only get by so much before it kicks you out of Sonnet (Claud). Then you have to go to a lesser model and once again start from scratch.



At the end of the day, even if you're a novice using AI, it's not easy. A project that may take 2 programmers a month to complete working together, could take someone using AI 2 weeks, 1 month or 6 months to complete, depending on how they utilize their time and resources.
 

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Claude hasn't been updated since April. It was trying to tell me the version of Wails I was running didn't exist. I had to literally give it the link to the website so it could see for itself.

I've sent it links to stack overflow, github and reddit threads, so it can find solutions to issues. Basically all the stuff normal software developers do. And all of these models get shyt wrong. And all of them are never updated on a regular basis, so you can't trust them.

Another issue i've run into is if you ask it to build a code file. It's never the same. Because there are multiple ways you can write it could literally write 200 lines of code and you ask to check it and it will keep changing it.

It's also limited in how much code it can write at one time. I think the limit is around 400 lines. So if you're writing a file that's over 1000 + lines it won't be able to write all of it. It also forgets shyt. Even if the keep the same conversation going for days, it still won't remember everything. If you ask it to revise a code file, it will some times alter the entire file. So you have to take a ton of notes during the process. When you create a new chat, you basically have to start over and explain everything in detail to get it up to speed. And then there's the tokens. You only get by so much before it kicks you out of Sonnet (Claud). Then you have to go to a lesser model and once again start from scratch.



At the end of the day, even if you're a novice using AI, it's not easy. A project that may take 2 programmers a month to complete working together, could take someone using AI 2 weeks, 1 month or 6 months to complete, depending on how they utilize their time and resources.


Let’s keep it real, AI makes it possible for an experienced programmer to complete a project in under two weeks, and in many cases, even within 48 hours.

However, just getting something built isn’t the whole picture. The real challenge is ensuring sustainability, scalability, repeatability, and reducing redundancy. AI-generated code often lacks these qualities and can come with built-in exploits or unnecessary redundancy.

I appreciate how AI is lowering barriers, but let’s be honest: a lot of bad code is being produced. It’s all fun and games until something breaks.

For context, I’m in a space where you can’t just rely on chatbot-generated code. There’s no documentation on Reddit or Stack Overflow to lean on.

Oh, and by the way, I’m also pretty sure you’re not actually developing products in the cloud.
 
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Let’s keep it real, AI makes it possible for an experienced programmer to complete a project in under two weeks, and in many cases, even within 48 hours.

However, just getting something built isn’t the whole picture. The real challenge is ensuring sustainability, scalability, repeatability, and reducing redundancy. AI-generated code often lacks these qualities and can come with built-in exploits or unnecessary redundancy.

I appreciate how AI is lowering barriers, but let’s be honest: a lot of bad code is being produced. It’s all fun and games until something breaks.

For context, I’m in a space where you can’t just rely on chatbot-generated code. There’s no documentation on Reddit or Stack Overflow to lean on.

Oh, and by the way, I’m also pretty sure you’re not actually developing products in the cloud.
The first software application I built had redundancy issues. It was a patchwork mess.

Which is why you use more than one model. I've used Claude, ChatGTP, Perplexity and Bolt to double check. I've also given the AI links to best practices documentation from official sites so it can take it into account.

But you're basically saying the same thing I wrote, just in a different way. And the when I'm doing with this project, the next one will be using the cloud and will required multiple developers. My goal is to build something that's at least MVP grade that could garner interests from investors. If I can get seed funding, I will hire professionals to scale it.

I basically started with something small. 2 - 4 thousand lines of code. with the largest file consisting of 300 - 400 lines of code. This current project will probably approach 10,000 lines of code.

As for the bolded, I already ran into that issue. I was trying to integrate drag and drop functionality where you can get the absolute file path for the software application I was building. But after 2 weeks of trying, I discovered that front end frameworks due to security restrictions, can't get the absolute file path. Even after bypassing Svelte and using Wails, it still didn't work. After trying for over a month I gave up and used the traditional file picker. I searched numerous message boards and the consensus was that i couldn't be done. Now I'm sure there is a way, but I don't have the time to waste in order to figure it out. Had I not tried, I could've finished it in 2 weeks instead of 1 month.

And you left out packaging the software and being detailed. Writing documentation for it. testing every little thing. It can be draining. A few months ago, when I was using Python, I tried to create my own custom windows title bar, but all that goes into configuring it, wasn't worth the time. With software, you also have to take into account the different operating systems and making sure it's compatible. AI isn't the be all to end all. But that's only because of how it was build. A company with a lot of money and resources to burn, could very well create one.
 

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The IT market is saturated like a mf. It's even difficult to get basic help desk jobs for some. Been looking at LinkedIn listings and the salaries being offered just to see what's out there and it's terrible. It feels like salaries have taken a nosedive.
 
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