Tech Industry job layoffs looking scary

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Their thinking is “because the labor is so cheap, eventually they’ll figure it out!” :pachaha:

At some point they will, but the entire company is going to burn to ashes by the time that happens :mjlol:
That MSP lost two big contracts due to overseas fukk ups. Management got promoted :wow:
 

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Should You Still Learn to Code in an A.I. World?​


Compared with five years ago, the number of active job postings for software developers has dropped 56 percent, according to data compiled by CompTIA. For inexperienced developers, the plunge is an even worse 67 percent.

“I would say this is the worst environment for entry-level jobs in tech, period, that I’ve seen in 25 years,” said Venky Ganesan, a partner at the venture capital firm Menlo Ventures.

You don’t really need to “code” with AI per se. You need to know how to read documentation, and troubleshoot/research solutions to problems. I’ve used AI to build with Python, C++, Golang, Next, Svelte, Tauri, Wails and React. And I never learned any of those languages. Learning the file structure and how it all interacts is the most I’ve actually “learned” per ce. And I’m a novice. So a programmer with 10 years of experience can use AI to replace 2 - 3 junior developers working on the same project.

That’s why once I saw the industry trends last year I stopped considering looking for a job as a self taught developer. I’d be better off building my own apps and create a tech start up :manny:
 

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You don’t really need to “code” with AI per se. You need to know how to read documentation, and troubleshoot/research solutions to problems. I’ve used AI to build with Python, C++, Golang, Next, Svelte, Tauri, Wails and React. And I never learned any of those languages. Learning the file structure and how it all interacts is the most I’ve actually “learned” per ce. And I’m a novice. So a programmer with 10 years of experience can use AI to replace 2 - 3 junior developers working on the same project.

That’s why once I saw the industry trends last year I stopped considering looking for a job as a self taught developer. I’d be better off building my own apps and create a tech start up :manny:

Anybody that builds software for a living knows the hardest part of the job is your backend dev giving you the wrong API documentation causing the the sprint being pushed back by 2 weeks and your Product Manger doesn't know up from down. AI not gonna fix that.
 

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Anybody that builds software for a living knows the hardest part of the job is your backend dev giving you the wrong API documentation causing the the sprint being pushed back by 2 weeks and your Product Manger doesn't know up from down. AI not gonna fix that.

AI build my API's :manny: then I will have another AI check. And Another AI check. then test. AI adds event logs to test everything as well. But I get it. I'm solo, so all of this is new to me. And it's a small project. By backend consists of files with no more than 400 lines of code.

AI is highly imperfect though. And even if you have a paid subscription, there's chat limits, mistakes, and basically outdated knowledge. For example. I was using Tauri. The latest version is 2.0. But Claude only knows version 1.0. So I literally had to go to the site and get links so Claude can read the documentation. Same with Wails. It also makes little mistakes, that I have to go back and correct. Sometimes it will write code in TypeScript if you're using JavaScript. So for me, the hardest me is being comfortable using the IDE and understanding how each language/framework is configured. For example, I'm currently using Golang, Wails and Svelte. So I had to figure out the backend like main.go ad app.go. window management. Using Tauri with Rust is totally different.

At the end of the day, it's doable. You just have to have patience and know how to follow up and investigate. I can't see myself writing hundreds of lines of code from scratch. the way I see it, if I have to write a code file that has 1000 lines, the time it takes a senior developer to write it, I could do it close to the same amount of time, having AI write it and fix the problems with it.
 

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AI build my API's :manny: then I will have another AI check. And Another AI check. then test. AI adds event logs to test everything as well. But I get it. I'm solo, so all of this is new to me. And it's a small project. By backend consists of files with no more than 400 lines of code.

AI is highly imperfect though. And even if you have a paid subscription, there's chat limits, mistakes, and basically outdated knowledge. For example. I was using Tauri. The latest version is 2.0. But Claude only knows version 1.0. So I literally had to go to the site and get links so Claude can read the documentation. Same with Wails. It also makes little mistakes, that I have to go back and correct. Sometimes it will write code in TypeScript if you're using JavaScript. So for me, the hardest me is being comfortable using the IDE and understanding how each language/framework is configured. For example, I'm currently using Golang, Wails and Svelte. So I had to figure out the backend like main.go ad app.go. window management. Using Tauri with Rust is totally different.

At the end of the day, it's doable. You just have to have patience and know how to follow up and investigate. I can't see myself writing hundreds of lines of code from scratch. the way I see it, if I have to write a code file that has 1000 lines, the time it takes a senior developer to write it, I could do it close to the same amount of time, having AI write it and fix the problems with it.

Key word small code base.

The one I work on has 250K lines of code.
 

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Key word small code base.

The one I work on has 250K lines of code.
Current AI models like Claude wouldn’t be able to build that. You would need a customized dedicated AI infrastructure. And I think in the next 10 - 20 years, that’s what’s going to happen. More companies will invest in their own dedicated in house LLM. And if it’s cheaper to pay the electric bill than to pay x amount of developers, they will try it.
 

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Anybody that builds software for a living knows the hardest part of the job is your backend dev giving you the wrong API documentation causing the the sprint being pushed back by 2 weeks and your Product Manger doesn't know up from down. AI not gonna fix that.
So we about to do front vs back backend dev wars here 🤔
 

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So we about to do front vs back backend dev wars here 🤔
See this why unions ain't happening lol
Engineers fight with each other bout semantics all day. We wouldn't even get past what to name the union :pachaha:

And @DJSmooth if your backend developers are consistently providing the wrong documentation then your architecture either needs to improve or your backend devs are developing the wrong thing. What kind of application are architecture are you running? Monolithic? Microservices?
 

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Realest shyt ever. I’m dealing with this now. Have had 3 job offers in the last year or so, with another one hopefully pending in the next 1-2 weeks with a company that checks mad boxes for me professionally and personally but non of them pay enough.

:francis: 5 day RTO coming soon too
 

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Companies only look at the cheaper labor costs. And not the lost productivity having to constantly clean up behind them. When they weren't crashing entire environments and lying about the root cause. They're in need of constant handholding for even minor tasks. You we're always expected to drop everything and help them to not make upper management look bad.
Problem is companies will deal with that because the cost of cheap labor outweighs the cost of fixes.

shyt, even after big crashes and bugs they still save money.

I’d like to think otherwise, but it’s not reality. Truth is, the outsource work isn’t THAT bad compared to domestic. Sometimes it’s outright better. CEO’s realized that.
 
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