Also, Herc is more AA than he is Jamaican. He immersed himself in a culture he wasn't born into.
Tariq & Akademiks Arguing Over Origins of Hip Hop
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To be specific
academiks is a good boy who was raised well in a nice home in suburban new jersey
that is a wonderful thing
Kool herc was what one would call a Yankee as Akademiks would be called
Yankee is not a bad word....just means more American
hence you could say Kool Herc was American
Akademiks was NEVER in Newark or Paterson etc where the garrison is
hence his opinion is that of a church boy
Kool Herc got stabbed and retired
end of story
academiks is a good boy who was raised well in a nice home in suburban new jersey
that is a wonderful thing
Kool herc was what one would call a Yankee as Akademiks would be called
Yankee is not a bad word....just means more American
hence you could say Kool Herc was American
Akademiks was NEVER in Newark or Paterson etc where the garrison is
hence his opinion is that of a church boy
Kool Herc got stabbed and retired
end of story
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Doesn’t matter what coast your from. It’s possible for anyone to have done the knowledge to speak accurately on the culture.
What did Tariq say that was inaccurate? Because “Jamaicans invented hip hop” is not accurate and ya man immediately followed that by “I’m just telling you the story I heard”
The more accurate statement is. Most the pioneers of hip hop culture, are of Caribbean descent.
He never discredits the contributions to hiphop he discredits the lie that Jamaicans specificallyinvented or created hiphop. Do you dispute that fact?
Depends on how you dice up 'hip hop'..especially as it evolved over time.
As in which core elements that define hiphop are 100% unique to the artform, created solely in the Bronx.
And if a dude is just rapping along to no beat, no dj, is that not just Jamaican toasting, or griots?
Tariqian types that hate Jamaicans will argue and fight to give them zero credit, whilst saying Latinos were there and giving them credit.
There's so much confusion from Black people bickering even the Latinos sticking their neck out to claim it
As in which core elements that define hiphop are 100% unique to the artform, created solely in the Bronx.
And if a dude is just rapping along to no beat, no dj, is that not just Jamaican toasting, or griots?
Tariqian types that hate Jamaicans will argue and fight to give them zero credit, whilst saying Latinos were there and giving them credit.
There's so much confusion from Black people bickering even the Latinos sticking their neck out to claim it
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“Rappin” had been a term in the AA community for years before Herc was even born. That’s what happens when you’re not familiar with the history. You only think something came about without knowing the lineage in which these terms came from. Rhyming over syncopated beats “rapping” had been an AA thing even before Herc got to NY. I know you’re from NY, but someone from NY who isn’t AA is gonna have a more authoritative opinion on hip hop than other NY AAs who have corroborated and said the same things Tariq has said.
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But there were already black Americans rapping along to syncopated beats. There were already African American MCs rhyming over the mic and being entertainers for their DJs before Hercs party on Sedgwick. The blueprint was already in full swing.Depends on how you dice up 'hip hop'..especially as it evolved over time.
As in which core elements that define hiphop are 100% unique to the artform, created solely in the Bronx.
And if a dude is just rapping along to no beat, no dj, is that not just Jamaican toasting, or griots?
Tariqian types that hate Jamaicans will argue and fight to give them zero credit, whilst saying Latinos were there and giving them credit.
There's so much confusion from Black people bickering even the Latinos sticking their neck out to claim it
Can we agree that Hip Hop STARTED in the bronx?
and that it was a combination of blk americans, hispanic, caribbean, AND WHITE people
who all shared the ny culture
one of unity not division
one of progress not maga ideology
one of love
it could not have existed in many other places
aka any magavilles
Biscayne
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No. Because sonically hip hop is straight up African American music. Most of the founding fathers and key influences were African Americans. Too many of the elements were already in full swing before the combining of the minimal Caribbean influences. And even those minimal influences arose from genres that were themselves influenced by African American music themselves. It’s black American music. In its earliest and purest forms, Most ppl outside of the Bronx and outside of the AA community wouldn’t even sonically recognize it as their own, because it sounds authentically black American. A Master Of Ceromonies jive talkin and rhyming about his DJ’s prowess wouldn’t even be something recognizable by the Jamaican toasters. Even then, the Jamaican style was influenced by American disc jockeys. The early American hip hop DJs are the sons of Jocko Henderson. Breakdancing, the style of dress, graffiti and all the elements are African American derived. The areas of NYC and Philly(also a major influence to the elements) were still predominantly black American areas. Ppl are trying to use hip hops origins in NY to make some disconnection with its African American origin exclusivity. And that’s not gonna work.
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Hip Hop started in Brooklyn with an ADOS breh named DJ Flowers
As I suspected.....
a lot of this is related to being anti east coast
I have seen many of these threads
it is not that there is something personal against Kool Herc...
just that he an immigrant...
much as with Fat Joe....
just that he hispanic....
stinks of insecurity to me
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The whole interview is very good.