Syria just collapsed. Here is their former leader vs the new leader :dead:

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We are talking about this current iteration of the conflict. An entire government collapsed in a week. That’s largely bloodless. No protracted sieges. Opposition forces melted away at the first sign of contact.

Assad would’ve been ousted earlier if it wasn’t for chemical weapons and Russian turning numerous Syrian neighborhoods into rubble.


Assad fell because the Syrians wanted him to fall. Stop seeing the CIA and NATO in everything. It’s why you constantly lose.
That's like treating the Invasion of Manchuria as an "iteration" or World War 2 divorced from the first six years of the war.

The Syrian civil war has been going on for 13 years. Assad fell because Russia is occupied in Ukraine, Iran is occupied fighting Israel on a different front, AND because a coalition of forces took a great opportunity. That doesn’t eliminate U.S. action, or Israeli or Turkish action.

You have a child’s grasp of what’s going on.
 

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That's like treating the Invasion of Manchuria as an "iteration" or World War 2 divorced from the first six years of the war.
Manchuria fell to the invasion of the Soviets because the Japanese forces in Manchuria were being starved due to successive defeats in the island hoping campaign cutting off supplies to the army in China and the shock of a nuclear bomb going off in Hiroshima. Even then they suffered thousands of dead and Manchuria was awash in an orgy of blood.

Comparatively where is the armed resistance in Syria? What major battles did Assad lose that portended the collapse of his armies? Who was predicting this a week ago? Nobody.




The Syrian civil war has been going on for 13 years. Assad fell because Russia is occupied in Ukraine, Iran is occupied fighting Israel on a different front,
So basically you are admitting Assad was being propped up by foreign regimes and native Syrians took back their country in a largely bloodless revolution?

Thank you. Enjoy your latest L.
 

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Islam has ran that region into the fukking ground.

The West has been undermining, killing and overthrowing socialist secular Arab nationalists like Assad, Saddam, Nasser for decades in funding/empowering Islamists like the Mujahadeen, the House of Saud, and now Jolani in Syria.

The West hates secular Arab nationalists because they are the biggest threat to Israel, although (ironically) the Islamists they place in power want to blow up people in the West!

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Have I said that?

I pointed out direct U.S. involvement and your response was "Yeah, we directly funded this, but it started 10 years ago, therefore our involvement is limited," instead of using your poor critical thinking skills to pay attention.

The U.S. is not the only factor here, but we are very clearly a factor, and as a U.S. citizen - my interest tends to focus on my nation's impact on international affairs.

You are living up to the man in the display picture with your common sense
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Manchuria fell to the invasion of the Soviets because the Japanese forces in Manchuria were being starved due to successive defeats in the island hoping campaign cutting off supplies to the army in China and the shock of a nuclear bomb going off in Hiroshima. Even then they suffered thousands of dead and Manchuria was awash in an orgy of blood.

Comparatively where is the armed resistance in Syria? What major battles did Assad lose that portended the collapse of his armies? Who was predicting this a week ago? Nobody.





So basically you are admitting Assad was being propped up by foreign regimes and native Syrians took back their country in a largely bloodless revolution?

Thank you. Enjoy your latest L.
There’s been quite a bit of commentary regarding this - the vulnerability of Assad, renewed pressure from Turkey and Israel, the toll the Russia-Ukraine war is taking on Russia’s tentative support of Assad - its a surprise if you weren’t as informed.
As well:
I have not, at any point, denied Assad is propped up by foreign nations lmao. Why are you arguing about points I’ve never made? This isn’t a debate - I’m providing clarification on the conflict and getting desperate ideological finger pointing. This isn’t a “bloodless revolution” by any stretch of the imagination this is a decades-long conflict that has come to temporary resolution due to a strategic offensive.
 

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socialist secular Arab nationalists
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According to Sami al-Jundi, one of the co-founders of the Arab Ba'ath Partyestablished by Zaki Arsuzi, the party's emblem was the tiger because it would "excite the imagination of the youth, in the tradition of Nazism and Fascism, but taking into consideration the fact that the Arab is in his nature distant from pagan symbols [like the swastika]".[89]Arsuzi's Ba'ath Party believed in the virtues of "one leader" and Arsuzi himself personally believed in the racial superiority of the Arabs. The party's members read Nazi literature, such as The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century; they were one of the first groups to plan the translation of Mein Kampf into Arabic; and they also actively searched for a copy of The Myth of the Twentieth Century—according to Moshe Ma'oz, the only copy of it was in Damascus and it was owned by Aflaq.[89] Arsuzi did not support the Axis powers and refused Italy's advances for party-to-party relations,[90] but he was also influenced by the racial theories of racialist philosopher Houston Stewart Chamberlain.[91] Arsuzi claimed that historically, Islam and Muhammad had reinforced the nobility and purity of the Arabs, which had both degenerated because Islam had been adopted by other peoples.[91] He was associated with the League of Nationalist Action, a political party which existed in Syria from 1932 to 1939 and was strongly influenced by fascism and Nazism, as evidenced by its paramilitary "Ironshirts".[92]




Assad literally jailed and tortured communists :mjlol:

Yassin al-Haj Saleh is one of the pivotal figures in the Syrian Revolution. He has a long history of activism in the country. Arrested by the Syrian regime in 1980 for the crime of political activism and membership of the Syrian Communist Party (Political Bureau) while in medical school at the age of 20, he spent the next 16 years in jail, including a final year in the infamous prison Tadmor, which the poet Faraj Bayradqdar called “the kingdom of death and madness.”

Released from prison in 1996, Saleh finished his interrupted medical studies, after which he became a political journalist and independent activist unaffiliated to any political party. Upon the outbreak of the Syrian Revolution, he went into hiding so he could tell the story of the revolution in newspapers and on a website he cofounded on the first anniversary of the Syrian Revolution: al-Jumhuriya (https://www.aljumhuriya.net/en).

At the same time, Saleh, along with his wife and political collaborator Samira Khalil, played an active role in the revolution, working with a team of activists including the legendary Razan Zeitouneh. They found themselves caught between the hammer of Bashar al-Assad’s counter-revolution and the anvil of his reactionary Islamic fundamentalist opponents such as al Qaeda, Jaysh al-Islam and ISIS (also known by its acronym in Arabic, Daesh).
Tragically, Samira Khalil along with Razan Zeitouneh, Wael Hamada, and Nazem Hamadi were abducted in 2013 and have not been heard from since. Saleh, who had moved from Eastern Ghouta to Raqqa, his native city, where he lived for two and a half months, again went into hiding, this time not from the regime, but from Daesh.

The group abducted two of his brothers. Nothing is known about Feras, his youngest brother who was abducted in July 2013. Two months before Samira, Razan, Wael, and Nazem were abducted, Saleh was forced to flee the country for Turkey.

The ISR’s Ashley Smith interviewed Yassin al-Haj Saleh in October to coincide with the publication of his first book in English, The Impossible Revolution: Making Sense of the Syrian Tragedy (Haymarket Books).


 

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Pretty much just going to go into another civil war within a year.

There are so many proxies in that country and each want to control it and have different ideas on how the country should be run and some of them disagree with their backers. There will be a ton of fighting until an authoritarian crushes all the opposition, jails or executes any leaders of alternative movement and consolidates his power.

The fighting will continue for at least another 10 years until a new authoritarian who is smarter than the rest takes over.

It's mission accomplished for Israel and America though, one less country that is united that can fight back if Israel decides it wants to attack them.
 

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It was war. I'm not a huge fan of Assad but acting like he just did it because he woke up in a bad mood is disingenuous. He was fighting isis and people that decapitate u on video

What he and Russia did was way outside of ISIS. It was an opportunistic justification to use the Russian doctrine of destroying the civilian population, hoping it erodes the enemy’s will to fight.

They sought out soft locations that were frequented by regular people over IS, even rebel positions. It was the US, Kurds, rebels, etc doing most of the fighting against IS. Russia and Assad just flat out attacked population centers.

My friends that were still at Campbell, and others I knew that PCS’d to Campbell got deployed to Iraq and Syria. The ones in Syria had to watch it when they weren’t helping to fight IS, observing, completing mortar fire missions, pulling security for the groupies, or holding ground.
 

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The state department got posters on the coli? :leon:

:francis:
I’m wondering if China or Russian does. They’ve been filling the thread with twitter and YouTube bullshyt about their new hero, Assad.

You could point out that the moon is obviously about to crash into the earth and they’ll still be like:

“Buh-buh-buh the US hEgEmOnY has been crashing moons for decades! Here’s a screenshot of moon coin crashing that I found in a Chinese DiScOrD and this is why it affects Palestinians that I’m too afraid to actually HeLp!”
 

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There’s been quite a bit of commentary regarding this - the vulnerability of Assad, renewed pressure from Turkey and Israel, the toll the Russia-Ukraine war is taking on Russia’s tentative support of Assad - its a surprise if you weren’t as informed.
As well:

Oh so you predicted the complete collapse of the Syrian government in a week? You were so well informed? Go ahead and pull those predictions up for us.

I have not, at any point, denied Assad is propped up by foreign nations lmao. Why are you arguing about points I’ve never made? This isn’t a debate - I’m providing clarification on the conflict and getting desperate ideological finger pointing. This isn’t a “bloodless revolution” by any stretch of the imagination this is a decades-long conflict that has come to temporary resolution due to a strategic offensive.
Nobody needs clarification of the conflict from your ilk. You have no insight of any use to anyone, no political organization or ideology you subscribe to or support has any relevance in the real world. Nobody needs you running around claiming some grand offensive from the CIA and NATO when it’s quite clear the vast majority of Syrian opposition to Assad is quite organic and why he needed to imprison hundreds of thousands of people and force hundreds of thousands to flee the country and get Russia to level vast swathes of the country.

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