That’s not the only criteria that goes into a greatest producer list
Bomb Squad fizzled out in the early 90s
Larry smith didn’t make it into the 90s
Marley marl fizzled out in the late 90s (most impressive run out of all 3)
To have them be top 3 is retardation and only something an old man who thinks all music after 1996 sucks would say
Only you not knowing the timeline of the culture and history of hiphop.
.plus the history indepthly.
to understand why this thread is dope. As it takes into account. Birthplace. Yet like most nyc transplant try to flaug and do.
act like someone who transplanted is from nyc. Then deny someone is from nyc. If they do not fit into some aesthetic. That is rooted in hiphopinfinity.com meets gentrification of nyc meets misappropriation of hiphop culture discussion. From the late nineties to early 2000's moving forward.
Where only someone not knowing the history and being actualized. Is allowing this nyc meets hhi.com flaug'n in birthplace.
i answered the question based on the actual locale.
I did not include primo.
.if you do not include primo in this discussion. It almost eliminates most of the nineties guys. As all of them had a gateway from primo. Or were kept in talks from primo. Being primo socially. Leading to social good business and referrals. All organically occurring within the culture of actual hiphop for the time.
Only rza being a native from nyc.
could go over bomb squad, Larry and marley.
As rza is the onky guy with the prominent albums and actual skill based emcees to get note. Yet rza only has a run. Which is upended by flood and never got back.
to anything remotely close.
to what was there beforehand.
That rza should be ranked ahead of Pete rock as well.
With primo not being from nyc.
It changes this convo.
Where now since primo is not there.
Plus primo has the larger production credits. Plus rhe larger braintrust and back to back classic debut vinyl and followup vinyl. That begin the socalled era of production. Plus span the pantheon of emcee names.
That people credit as rhe beginning nineties era. That would create the production template of krs return to the boom bap. That would then become the gateway pr point for most here in illmatic.
that lead to the pivotal change in production of the nineties.
Moving away from bReak beats.
Yet since primo is not from nyc
That means when words i manifest was rakim level as a debut single for its time. Followed up by a classic lp. Then followed up by another classic first single and then another classic lp.
It completely eclipses Pete rock, rza, and most of the nineties technical emcee renaissance and rhe production sonic landscapes of that era. That most cling too as their gateway.
Yet on no day...
Back to back bangers and impact are they seeing the golden age Genesis of marley marl. The crush groove dominance of Larry Smith.
Nor the sonic eclectic mastery collage of the bomb squad. Nor the actual groups or waves spawned by those three.
Kane set it off by marley marl off top.
None of the native boom bap emcee technical renaissance emcees are seeing that record.
That is just for starters.
Larry Smith although being an actual rnb producer.
Is still a definitive ol school way of thought hiphop producer and in that.
None of the boom bap renaissance era producers. Have added on to how accessible. Clean and marketable the definitive Larry Smith records are. To the point trap comes exclusively from Larry Smith and people biting Darryl and me.if I remember rhe name of the record right.
For what would become the fake down South mr magic sweet spot sonically. Plus the sweets pot for what would become trap as well.
the bombsquad pretty much made anything the boom bap was gonna do. With free reign of any sonic landscape.
given the fact sample laws were not highly enforced on the level that made chopping what it was in the boom bap era.
As well as a level of content. That created mainstream awareness of what being black primitively is. As well as a sonic expression of it as well. None of the boom bap renaissance native producers did the same outside of rza.
Where in that rza only had a small window. Which was upended from its apex in skill and expression.
Like real talk. How are the native nyc producers of rhe emcee renaissance era and boom bap era. Gonna say they are mantronix level good outside of rza tho. Where again rza had to revamp after being wack. Mantronix never had a period of having to ramp from being completely wack.
The problem with people misinformed. Or speaking out of turn is. They did not dig in the crate. That if they did. They would know these discussion are based and rooted in timeline. Of which rza In timeline has negs from the prince rakeem era. Whereas Smith, marley and bomb squad. Never had a debut. That needed a comeback from being wack to prominence period.
Of which culture score cards matter.
That I know you lack the real time understanding or actualized knowledge of history to discuss or even understand.
You nikkaz would have to be grand wizard Theodore or red alert with CaprI. When I know None of y'all actualized in a pillar. To trust your posting. Plus you lack significant historic knowledge about hiphop. Especially understanding new and ol school way of thought. To the changes in sonic landscapes. As again...I am the only guy going Indepthly freely in discussion Indepthly. While I have not read much actual detail from nikkaz and I know they do not know. If they did they would be the protege to a legend. When they are not and I am the protege to a legend.
I did not get this stature. From an accident. I was there.
Art Barr
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