never! not my eliCome on, b. I've been in denial for a long time about Eli but he just doesn't have "it" anymore. No more 4th qtr comebacks, no more nothing. It's over
Survival of the Fittest: Official 2014 New York Giants Season Thread
I understand, b I do and I say this with a heavy heart. He has to go. We cannot and won't win with him anymorenever! not my eli
Come on, b. I've been in denial for a long time about Eli but he just doesn't have "it" anymore. No more 4th qtr comebacks, no more nothing. It's over
Nah breh, I'm not ready to give up on Eli yet, let's see if the giants can fix the o-line during the off season
Did you not see those ints today my giant brethren. Stupid, stupid decisions just like last week with that int towards Beckham that absolutely kills us. It pains me to realize this truth but it is the truth
i just feel hes the last one we have to worry about. he has no weapons cept beck da goat, no running game, shytty line and a terrible defense that doesnt help keep us close, save for today.I understand, b I do and I say this with a heavy heart. He has to go. We cannot and won't win with him anymore
I understand our injuries and all of that but its his decision making. It has gotten worse every year after that 2nd Super bowl run.
jflores
Pro
Reese should be fukking fired this fukking morning brehs. When your RT backup is Charles fukking The Revolving Door Brown, you needs to go.
Its obvious ODB is our play maker you trying to tell me on that drive prior to the last int, we couldn't run a wide receiver reverse or a wide out screen or something to get the ball in his hands.
Oh and btw Reese needs to shut the fukk up too, imploring for down field plays two weeks ago has Eli throwing 7 damn ints. Prior to his comments Eli was playing great, and everytime Eli tries to get the ball into Ruben hands some shyt always happens.
Oh and one more thing, if you want to throw a fade why not put 6'5" Washington in there. Just saying!!!!
Its obvious ODB is our play maker you trying to tell me on that drive prior to the last int, we couldn't run a wide receiver reverse or a wide out screen or something to get the ball in his hands.
Oh and btw Reese needs to shut the fukk up too, imploring for down field plays two weeks ago has Eli throwing 7 damn ints. Prior to his comments Eli was playing great, and everytime Eli tries to get the ball into Ruben hands some shyt always happens.
Oh and one more thing, if you want to throw a fade why not put 6'5" Washington in there. Just saying!!!!
Lol sounds like you mean fire McAdoo this morning. I really don't get how you throw 3 fades in the endzone like that. John Lynch made a great point saying that the fade is such a 50/50 play because you're just throwing it up there. Then on the 4th down play there was no real movement from the TEs and the WRs were practically decoys on the outside...wth. How about a playaction at least once?? That was awful.
And it really is wild how the INTs nearly always happen with Randle being the target. I think he gave up on his route because he got touched on that 3rd or 4th INT...and not sure if he didn't run the correct route or if Eli fukked up on the 2nd INT.
Defense held their own yesterday, but SFs offense is all over the place this year. That Crabtree TD was like
I don't want Reese fired. When the unknowns or freaks do well, everybody's praising how he found gems & talks about his 2 titles. When we lose, everybody talks about how he didn't provide this or that & needs to go. Reese has been unlucky with a lot of injured drafted players over the years. The O-line is something that can take a few years to rebuild, so I'm hoping this is the last year where it sucks.
Reese could've given out bad contracts instead of playing poker with alotta dudes...and then people would've been mad at that too. One thing that can be pointed to is that he hasn't kept alotta draftees after their rookie contrac. It'll be interesting to see what happens with JPP this offseason, and I believe our cap situation will be better overall.
We're due for a title next year because we play the AFC East. You'll see.
I was at the game yesterday, so there are a couple of things I noticed...
People are complaining about the talent at BACKUP right tackle? Fellas, if a tackle goes down, you're pretty fukked. That's just the way the new nfl works, you don't have the money for quality depth at high cost positions.
Reese isn't getting fired - because the Giants don't fire GMs, they just don't. But he needs to add talent to this team. Free agents and draft. If the Giants somehow end up with a top 5 pick, and have a shot at one of the top QB's they should flip it for more picks. Eli isn't the problem. This team just needs more talent everywhere.
- Eli's interceptions were awful. No real way around it. But I haven't seen him do that this season, this was the first game where I've had the full "what the fukk?" reaction.
- His receivers run awful and incorrect routes on almost every long passing down. I can't tell you how many times it was obvious that a guy was supposed to break and just... didn't.
- The offensive line needs a full re-work. Maybe draft a LT, Beaty to RT, Pugh to guard, Richburg to center and Schwartz to left guard? Get the best talent in their best positions.
- Donnell also doesn't run the right routes, but he makes a play on the ball every time. We have to find a way to use that, as they tighten his skillset.
- The defense doesn't make any plays. We need a player at every level. Another passrusher or a DT that collapses the pocket, a linebacker that can get to the backfield, and a safety.
- The offense also needs another playmaker. even if it's just a straight up track star who can run seams all day (like cobb-lite) you need a homerun threat for this offense to work
- Odell is legitimately unguardable. I can't tell you how many times he was open up the sideline (the right sideline specifically) where Eli just didn't have time to step up and throw it.
- JPP just doesn't seem to beat his man to the QB very much.
- They have to let moore play, and Bromley too. Let's see what we have in these guys.
People are complaining about the talent at BACKUP right tackle? Fellas, if a tackle goes down, you're pretty fukked. That's just the way the new nfl works, you don't have the money for quality depth at high cost positions.
Reese isn't getting fired - because the Giants don't fire GMs, they just don't. But he needs to add talent to this team. Free agents and draft. If the Giants somehow end up with a top 5 pick, and have a shot at one of the top QB's they should flip it for more picks. Eli isn't the problem. This team just needs more talent everywhere.
TR7
Trust in Sean Marks
Why is it every time Eli has a bad game the "Eli is done he has to go" comes out the woodwork?
Did you forget the rest of his season? Before yesterday he was on pace for like 30 TDs/ 10 INTs and over 3,500 yds.
Get him an offensive line, find a running back who can stay upright for an entire season, and another WR to pair with ODB. I'd say that's Cruz but who knows what he'll be next season and we can't rely on him being the old Cruz right away. And going into next season with Randle as the other outside WR cannot happen.
Did you forget the rest of his season? Before yesterday he was on pace for like 30 TDs/ 10 INTs and over 3,500 yds.
Get him an offensive line, find a running back who can stay upright for an entire season, and another WR to pair with ODB. I'd say that's Cruz but who knows what he'll be next season and we can't rely on him being the old Cruz right away. And going into next season with Randle as the other outside WR cannot happen.
DirtyD
Last Time That I Checc'd......
Bob Papa was on with Lupica the other day and he made some pretty good points made. Talked about just how awful some of Reese's decisions seem in hindsight.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=11892773
I don't want Eli gone, but the Giants definitely need to look into restructuring his contract.
DirtyD
Last Time That I Checc'd......
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-oc-ben-mcadoo-wont-apologize-for-playcalling
http://deadspin.com/fukk-the-fade-route-1660807016
Futuristic Eskimo
All Star
Yea I dont understand why the fade route is so popular in the league. Unless you have a Calvin Johnson type receiver who makes that play most of the time, its pointless. Theres inevitably always another receiver that was open and would have been found if the QB just went through his progressions like normal.
With a shifty receiver like Beckham capable of getting open in tight spaces and a big TE like Donnell who can body a defender to get position, its irresponsible to run that bullshyt, especially 3 times in a row where the game is on the line.
With a shifty receiver like Beckham capable of getting open in tight spaces and a big TE like Donnell who can body a defender to get position, its irresponsible to run that bullshyt, especially 3 times in a row where the game is on the line.
Who we drafting, boys?
I think you gotta go OL early. Right away. And I think to do that, you have to figure out if you can keep Pugh at tackle or he if has to move to guard. He's had some big days against really good players. It makes me think he can do it. But if he can't, if he's going to be a guard, then you have to know, because you need to take a tackle with your first pick.
I've said it before, but if you Draft a future LT - then your'e line can look like: ROOKIE LT-Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh-Beatty ... and that looks pretty solid.
If you think he's a tackle, then you can draft a guard in the 2nd.
But solidifying the line fixes two things: It helps the running game, and it gives Eli time, which allows Beckham/Cruz (and maybe Donnell) to get loose on routes.
The Giants have a LOT of problems. And they're not ALL on offense:
If you think Pugh is still a tackle, then in the first round you can look at: A top pass-rusher (interior or DE), A top safety, or an impact linebacker (unlikely). The defense needs help, and fast.
Lastly, I'd love them to identify a punt/kick return specialist in the late rounds. A burner with shiftiness, who is maybe too small to be a regular contributor at the position (rb/wr)
I think you gotta go OL early. Right away. And I think to do that, you have to figure out if you can keep Pugh at tackle or he if has to move to guard. He's had some big days against really good players. It makes me think he can do it. But if he can't, if he's going to be a guard, then you have to know, because you need to take a tackle with your first pick.
I've said it before, but if you Draft a future LT - then your'e line can look like: ROOKIE LT-Schwartz-Richburg-Pugh-Beatty ... and that looks pretty solid.
If you think he's a tackle, then you can draft a guard in the 2nd.
But solidifying the line fixes two things: It helps the running game, and it gives Eli time, which allows Beckham/Cruz (and maybe Donnell) to get loose on routes.
The Giants have a LOT of problems. And they're not ALL on offense:
If you think Pugh is still a tackle, then in the first round you can look at: A top pass-rusher (interior or DE), A top safety, or an impact linebacker (unlikely). The defense needs help, and fast.
Lastly, I'd love them to identify a punt/kick return specialist in the late rounds. A burner with shiftiness, who is maybe too small to be a regular contributor at the position (rb/wr)